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> I wish the culture of our police was based around community development and not militarization. There is something funny about that sentence. We have police

by 67726e 13y ago

> I wish the culture of our police was based around community development and not militarization. There is something funny about that sentence. We have police imitating military yet the US military, during the current Iraq/Afghanistan "military operation", came to realize that a "knock-and-talk" approach was/is more effective than "kick-in-the-door" night raids while looking for insurgents.

kvcrawford 13y ago
Hahahaha. Oh man. And if they violate the Rules of Engagement, it's going to hurt a lot worse than paid time off.
mr_luc 13y ago
That's an interesting connection, thanks for sharing it. I wonder if that's because the US military felt it had/has its back to the wall in terms of the success of its mission, and thus was forced to do the more effective thing, even though it's a bit outside of the purpose of their organization. Conversely, police departments aren't under that much pressure to perform. Our country is experiencing a peace wave. Instead, they're free to worry only about protecting their turf and increasing their budgets, through wasteful vanity projects like their tremendously overused SWAT teams, and over-targeting non-violent drug users.
- BrandonMarc 13y ago
  A peace wave ... and yet, at the same time, dramatically higher budgets and paranoia due to 9/11. Do we really need/want cops with drones?
- kvcrawford 13y ago
  I think it has to do with oversight. There's a strong precedent for the international community to hold a country's leaders as responsible for their military's actions. The chain of command reflects that. Compare that to internal affairs in law enforcement. It's a terrible joke. There are also fiscal pressures, in the way budgets are set, and with civil asset forfeiture. The US military budget is not set by how many kills they get, and units are not permitted to pillage and plunder the countries they invade.

by 67726e 13y ago

kvcrawford 13y ago

Hahahaha. Oh man. And if they violate the Rules of Engagement, it's going to hurt a lot worse than paid time off.

mr_luc 13y ago

That's an interesting connection, thanks for sharing it. I wonder if that's because the US military felt it had/has its back to the wall in terms of the success of its mission, and thus was forced to do the more effective thing, even though it's a bit outside of the purpose of their organization. Conversely, police departments aren't under that much pressure to perform. Our country is experiencing a peace wave. Instead, they're free to worry only about protecting their turf and increasing their budgets, through wasteful vanity projects like their tremendously overused SWAT teams, and over-targeting non-violent drug users.

BrandonMarc 13y ago
A peace wave ... and yet, at the same time, dramatically higher budgets and paranoia due to 9/11. Do we really need/want cops with drones?
kvcrawford 13y ago
I think it has to do with oversight. There's a strong precedent for the international community to hold a country's leaders as responsible for their military's actions. The chain of command reflects that. Compare that to internal affairs in law enforcement. It's a terrible joke. There are also fiscal pressures, in the way budgets are set, and with civil asset forfeiture. The US military budget is not set by how many kills they get, and units are not permitted to pillage and plunder the countries they invade.