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With my tin-foil hat on, I'm wondering if this whole Snowden thing isn't just to make people numb to the idea that they are being watched 24/7. And it seems tha

With my tin-foil hat on, I'm wondering if this whole Snowden thing isn't just to make people numb to the idea that they are being watched 24/7. And it seems that people don't care about privacy we can only expect things to get worse.

sage_joch 13y ago
I've considered this too, but I haven't seen any signs of deception in Snowden's words or actions. As a counter-example, consider Obama's 2008 campaign. Many people were deceived by his speeches on civil liberties, myself included. But even then there were legitimate misgivings with his Senate voting record. I have had no such misgivings about Snowden. His words and actions ring true.
- maaku 13y ago
  I don't think he was implying that Snowden is not as he presents himself to be, just that the outcome of all this might be apathy.
MisterWebz 13y ago
That's ridiculous. You think they would self-inflict this huge PR nightmare upon themselves? They were doing perfectly fine before the leaks, getting cooperation from major tech companies and other countries and their reach was constantly expanding. It's silly to think they'd give all that up by setting in motion something which could potentially piss of its own citizens and its allies, just for the off chance that people might become numb to it. Then what happens? They continue their operations just the same way they did before?
- cavilling_elite 13y ago
  I don't think this is the case. But on a smaller scale: The Bush administration would put out a piece of legislation that was a hyperbole, watch the public/democrats react, then ram through a "less worse" bill in the guise of compromise.
- tjoff 13y ago
  They were doing perfectly fine before the leaks, getting cooperation from major tech companies and other countries and their reach was constantly expanding. Has anything changed? Has the people involved even noticed any difference, aside from some black ink in newspapers?
  - MisterWebz 13y ago
    The first thing that comes to mind is that they're apparently firing 90% of their sys admins. Their internal workings are definitely being affected.

sage_joch 13y ago

I've considered this too, but I haven't seen any signs of deception in Snowden's words or actions. As a counter-example, consider Obama's 2008 campaign. Many people were deceived by his speeches on civil liberties, myself included. But even then there were legitimate misgivings with his Senate voting record. I have had no such misgivings about Snowden. His words and actions ring true.

maaku 13y ago
I don't think he was implying that Snowden is not as he presents himself to be, just that the outcome of all this might be apathy.

MisterWebz 13y ago

That's ridiculous. You think they would self-inflict this huge PR nightmare upon themselves? They were doing perfectly fine before the leaks, getting cooperation from major tech companies and other countries and their reach was constantly expanding. It's silly to think they'd give all that up by setting in motion something which could potentially piss of its own citizens and its allies, just for the off chance that people might become numb to it. Then what happens? They continue their operations just the same way they did before?

cavilling_elite 13y ago
I don't think this is the case. But on a smaller scale: The Bush administration would put out a piece of legislation that was a hyperbole, watch the public/democrats react, then ram through a "less worse" bill in the guise of compromise.
tjoff 13y ago
They were doing perfectly fine before the leaks, getting cooperation from major tech companies and other countries and their reach was constantly expanding. Has anything changed? Has the people involved even noticed any difference, aside from some black ink in newspapers?
- MisterWebz 13y ago
  The first thing that comes to mind is that they're apparently firing 90% of their sys admins. Their internal workings are definitely being affected.