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@gringofyx: it looks like you took a passive-aggressive approach, and sabotaged the company from the inside once you returned to Bulgaria. You know what I think

@gringofyx: it looks like you took a passive-aggressive approach, and sabotaged the company from the inside once you returned to Bulgaria. You know what I think, to some extent, you are the younger version of John, as ruthless as him. This is why you accepted to work for him, since you felt the attraction of the same. I would really love to see how your next ventures unfold, especially from the human side of things. I am sure financially you'll do well.

otakucode 13y ago
You consider doing the job you are paid for to be sabotage? He was contracted for 7.5 hours, he was paid for that and nothing more. In what universe does the company deserve more than what they pay for?
- mnglkhn2 13y ago
  I hope we both know that there are more ways than one to do your contracted job well. I might choose plan B that does the task but needs replaced intwo months, than job A which takes longer to implement but might be efficient over the long run. In this case, would you dock my pay?
  - otakucode 13y ago
    I'd expect you to present both and I'd make the decision since it deals with costs. If I expected you to make decisions like that that directly affect the businesses future expenses, you'd be making a lot more money and wouldn't be contracted for 7.5 hours.
    - mnglkhn2 13y ago
      Then pretty soon you will be micromanaging me, essentially doubling your cost. At some point you have to trust me with some decisions if you want to be able to operate somewhat efficiently.
      - chris_wot 13y ago
        If you want someone to show independence and to work more than what they are contracted to, then don't tell them they are just an employee and nothing more, pay them what they are worth, and don't renege on earlier verbal promises.
gringofyx 13y ago
It's a bit of cynical remark, but I'll attempt to answer. So when I started the job, I had this idea in my head of what the company was going to be, and what my role should be. It is that idealistic vision that I was attracted to - and when reality didn't fit the idealistic vision that's when I became upset. Did I sabotage the company from the inside? Possibly - if you could call it that - for only a month or so. I didn't want my friends to see me like that, that's not my nature. So I quit. It was his choice to then force me to stay for three months - but you have to consider that I went looking for my own replacement, I trained him, I trained thrity staff, I learnt the language, I made friends, I improved the company, I was proud of what I had built. I could not, in all good faith, put the things I care about at risk. I must confess though, that initially I did want to learn about the magic and courage involved in starting your own company. And I learnt very quickly that John was not the best mentor. As a final note, eight year have now passed, and during that time I have, in my career, become well known for taking on other peoples problems, championing their ideas. I think being treated unfairly makes a person more ethical and empathic towards the struggles of others. So my point is, you couldn't be further from the truth.
- mnglkhn2 13y ago
  I have to admit to have been cynical in my comment. The point being that it always take two to tango. You were in that professional relationship looking for something, not necessarily money. He must have been offering something, but definitely not money. Maybe you were looking for a father figure or a way to get yourself bootstrapped professionally. I am glad to see that it didn't knock you down. Cool.

otakucode 13y ago

You consider doing the job you are paid for to be sabotage? He was contracted for 7.5 hours, he was paid for that and nothing more. In what universe does the company deserve more than what they pay for?

mnglkhn2 13y ago
I hope we both know that there are more ways than one to do your contracted job well. I might choose plan B that does the task but needs replaced intwo months, than job A which takes longer to implement but might be efficient over the long run. In this case, would you dock my pay?
- otakucode 13y ago
  I'd expect you to present both and I'd make the decision since it deals with costs. If I expected you to make decisions like that that directly affect the businesses future expenses, you'd be making a lot more money and wouldn't be contracted for 7.5 hours.
  - mnglkhn2 13y ago
    Then pretty soon you will be micromanaging me, essentially doubling your cost. At some point you have to trust me with some decisions if you want to be able to operate somewhat efficiently.
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      If you want someone to show independence and to work more than what they are contracted to, then don't tell them they are just an employee and nothing more, pay them what they are worth, and don't renege on earlier verbal promises.

gringofyx 13y ago

It's a bit of cynical remark, but I'll attempt to answer. So when I started the job, I had this idea in my head of what the company was going to be, and what my role should be. It is that idealistic vision that I was attracted to - and when reality didn't fit the idealistic vision that's when I became upset. Did I sabotage the company from the inside? Possibly - if you could call it that - for only a month or so. I didn't want my friends to see me like that, that's not my nature. So I quit. It was his choice to then force me to stay for three months - but you have to consider that I went looking for my own replacement, I trained him, I trained thrity staff, I learnt the language, I made friends, I improved the company, I was proud of what I had built. I could not, in all good faith, put the things I care about at risk. I must confess though, that initially I did want to learn about the magic and courage involved in starting your own company. And I learnt very quickly that John was not the best mentor. As a final note, eight year have now passed, and during that time I have, in my career, become well known for taking on other peoples problems, championing their ideas. I think being treated unfairly makes a person more ethical and empathic towards the struggles of others. So my point is, you couldn't be further from the truth.

mnglkhn2 13y ago
I have to admit to have been cynical in my comment. The point being that it always take two to tango. You were in that professional relationship looking for something, not necessarily money. He must have been offering something, but definitely not money. Maybe you were looking for a father figure or a way to get yourself bootstrapped professionally. I am glad to see that it didn't knock you down. Cool.