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Wouldn't all of your recipients also need to be using countermail? Email is just not the answer, if you want any privacy at all... We need a whole new communic

by gfosco 13y ago

Wouldn't all of your recipients also need to be using countermail? Email is just not the answer, if you want any privacy at all... We need a whole new communication protocol, or a new platform where people go for ephemeral and encrypted communication.

bengrunfeld 13y ago
I agree with you. Small workarounds like E2E encrypted email aren't enough. I think that it's time the tech industry had an open and frank discussion about about re-building our infrastructure from the ground up to avoid organizations with means (e.g. the NSA) from abusing the system. Privacy is essential to a healthy culture and a healthy economy. Can you imagine Putin taking advantage of similar tracking to hunt down homosexuals with his draconian anti-gay laws? This is a pandora's box that needs to locked shut.
- putinfan 13y ago
  This anti-Putin gay propaganda has to stop. If he seriously wanted gays exterminated, there wouldn't be a single one left alive in Russia today. All he's doing is try to fight the gay agenda, which even as a non-Russian, I'm thankful for.
helloNSA_ 13y ago
If you want end-to-end, true E2E, you're gonna need client-side software of some kind. It's just the way it works. It's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. It means to get the private keys, the gubment has to gain access to each target's machine individually. Right now they just force the server-side stuff to roll with a single NSL and a phone call. If you make them have to work for each constitutional violation then they might at least consider not breaking the law. All this cloud shit has made it far too easy for NSA, etc.
benmmurphy 13y ago
it uses pgp so presumably it is compatible with everyone else that uses pgp. but yeah your recipients and people that send you email need to use pgp.
Joeboy 13y ago
> Wouldn't all of your recipients also need to be using countermail? You only get end-to-end encryption if both ends do PGP. They offer some security perks like encrypting the mail on the server and running diskless servers if you're communicating with non-PGP people though.
gasull 13y ago
https://bitmessage.org https://bitmessage.org
- galapago 13y ago
  +1
  - Ackley 13y ago
    -1
    - junto 13y ago
      It would be quite useful if both of you explained your +1 and -1. Is Bitmessage bad, or did you just dislike the +1?
      - Ackley 13y ago
        You should be aware by now that comments are organized in a tree-like structure. But thanks.

by gfosco 13y ago

bengrunfeld 13y ago

I agree with you. Small workarounds like E2E encrypted email aren't enough. I think that it's time the tech industry had an open and frank discussion about about re-building our infrastructure from the ground up to avoid organizations with means (e.g. the NSA) from abusing the system. Privacy is essential to a healthy culture and a healthy economy. Can you imagine Putin taking advantage of similar tracking to hunt down homosexuals with his draconian anti-gay laws? This is a pandora's box that needs to locked shut.

putinfan 13y ago
This anti-Putin gay propaganda has to stop. If he seriously wanted gays exterminated, there wouldn't be a single one left alive in Russia today. All he's doing is try to fight the gay agenda, which even as a non-Russian, I'm thankful for.

helloNSA_ 13y ago

If you want end-to-end, true E2E, you're gonna need client-side software of some kind. It's just the way it works. It's not a bad thing. It's a great thing. It means to get the private keys, the gubment has to gain access to each target's machine individually. Right now they just force the server-side stuff to roll with a single NSL and a phone call. If you make them have to work for each constitutional violation then they might at least consider not breaking the law. All this cloud shit has made it far too easy for NSA, etc.

benmmurphy 13y ago

it uses pgp so presumably it is compatible with everyone else that uses pgp. but yeah your recipients and people that send you email need to use pgp.

Joeboy 13y ago

> Wouldn't all of your recipients also need to be using countermail? You only get end-to-end encryption if both ends do PGP. They offer some security perks like encrypting the mail on the server and running diskless servers if you're communicating with non-PGP people though.

gasull 13y ago

https://bitmessage.org https://bitmessage.org

galapago 13y ago
+1
- Ackley 13y ago
  -1
  - junto 13y ago
    It would be quite useful if both of you explained your +1 and -1. Is Bitmessage bad, or did you just dislike the +1?
    - Ackley 13y ago
      You should be aware by now that comments are organized in a tree-like structure. But thanks.