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Who would risk their own life to do that for "the good of many"? People like Snowden are exceptions, not a rule, because the guns are out there pointed to every

Who would risk their own life to do that for "the good of many"? People like Snowden are exceptions, not a rule, because the guns are out there pointed to everyone. Why don't we instead of asking individual heroes to fight a killing machine called "the state", do that: 1. Acknowledge the evil of the state. 2. Find practical non-violent ways to boycott it. E.g. blacklist personally everyone involved in violent aggression. Switch off USD to Bitcoin. Expose violence of the state consistently in every relevant circumstance etc.

jlgreco 13y ago
I doubt, even in our current situation, that Jury members would become targets if they refused to convict.
- pyre 13y ago
  I think we're referring to the person willing to put their freedom at risk to wager that a jury nullification would happen as the 'hero.'
- jmomo 13y ago
  It would never get that far. The "jury selection" process weeds out average people and leaves only the most boring, dumb, and/or untruthful jurors.
ChuckMcM 13y ago
> Who would risk their own life to do that for "the good of many"? People who feel strongly about what is right, versus what the law says, do.
- solistice 13y ago
  Hell, do it for your own self interest. If a country with indefinite detentions, broad spying on the public and government strongarming of businesses for "national security" reasons is a place you don't want to live in, help fight against it. The group dynamic of "yeah, someone will stand up for us" is what creates situations like this in the first place.
  - x0x0 13y ago
    come on now. Some chick says, 'Thank you for saying all the things I never do.' I say, you know, the thanks I get is to take all the shit for you. -Ani DiFranco, "Face Up and Sing" Given the treatment of Snowden: will never set foot in the US again as a free man Manning: given solitary just to fuck with him with no punishment dished out for doing so (a room full of military assholes all saying "I didn't give the order" and no responsibility nor punishment; he just magically ended up in solitary. somehow. it's a mystery.); he shared a video of US soldiers joking about killing children Gary Webb [1]: told us that Reagan (another piece of shit) was financing weapons with drug sales in inner cities, with profits sent to the Contras John Kiriakou [2]: told us that George Bush and the cia now torture detainees Who exactly is going to step forward no matter what the wrongdoing is? We ruin the lives of whisteblowers. If you want people to come forward, you simply have to not ruin their lives for doing so. Because right now it's clear what the price is for telling us what our government is truthfully doing. Hell, you could make the argument that what the NSA does is okay (I totally disagree), but CIA/president approved crack sales in inner LA. Amazing. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou

jlgreco 13y ago

I doubt, even in our current situation, that Jury members would become targets if they refused to convict.

pyre 13y ago
I think we're referring to the person willing to put their freedom at risk to wager that a jury nullification would happen as the 'hero.'
jmomo 13y ago
It would never get that far. The "jury selection" process weeds out average people and leaves only the most boring, dumb, and/or untruthful jurors.

ChuckMcM 13y ago

> Who would risk their own life to do that for "the good of many"? People who feel strongly about what is right, versus what the law says, do.

solistice 13y ago
Hell, do it for your own self interest. If a country with indefinite detentions, broad spying on the public and government strongarming of businesses for "national security" reasons is a place you don't want to live in, help fight against it. The group dynamic of "yeah, someone will stand up for us" is what creates situations like this in the first place.
- x0x0 13y ago
  come on now. Some chick says, 'Thank you for saying all the things I never do.' I say, you know, the thanks I get is to take all the shit for you. -Ani DiFranco, "Face Up and Sing" Given the treatment of Snowden: will never set foot in the US again as a free man Manning: given solitary just to fuck with him with no punishment dished out for doing so (a room full of military assholes all saying "I didn't give the order" and no responsibility nor punishment; he just magically ended up in solitary. somehow. it's a mystery.); he shared a video of US soldiers joking about killing children Gary Webb [1]: told us that Reagan (another piece of shit) was financing weapons with drug sales in inner cities, with profits sent to the Contras John Kiriakou [2]: told us that George Bush and the cia now torture detainees Who exactly is going to step forward no matter what the wrongdoing is? We ruin the lives of whisteblowers. If you want people to come forward, you simply have to not ruin their lives for doing so. Because right now it's clear what the price is for telling us what our government is truthfully doing. Hell, you could make the argument that what the NSA does is okay (I totally disagree), but CIA/president approved crack sales in inner LA. Amazing. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou