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Indeed. Seems like an Americanism to use "make up" only as synonymous with "fake." See definition #1: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/make_up http://en.wiktio

• gojomo 13y ago
  In American dialect, at least, I can assure that the added 'up' nudges the interpretation more towards fabrication (though not definitively so). Compare: "...make an elementary analysis." [strongly implies 'do the necessary work'] "...make up an elementary analysis." [might mean 'do the work' but has some implicature of 'improvise from your imagination'] On the other hand, 'whip up' is merely an idiom for 'bring together quickly', and so "...whip up an elementary analysis" would again have no implication of faked data (as opposed to real data collected quickly).
  • emiliobumachar 13y ago
    Ah, the irony. I'm not a native English speaker, but I believe the word "fabrication" also has a less used meaning of "made, created" with no falsehood necessarily. A quick web search seemed to confirm this.
    • gojomo 13y ago
      Absolutely true! However the innocent-form of 'fabricate'/'fabrication' is mostly used with involved manufacturing/assembly processes, rather than a discovery/transcription process. So specifically if 'fabrication' is chosen where a simpler word would do, or chosen to contrast with a simpler word, then it acquires increasing implication of falsified/counterfeit work. If you (or more likely an large team/firm) can 'fabricate' a 'car', good job, you're skilled. If on the other hand you 'fabricate' a 'paper' or 'result' or 'fact' or 'photo' or 'logo', you're involved in something shady.
      • honestcoyote 13y ago
        Fabrication is a bit amusing. This factory fabricates iPhones. vs. The fabricated iPhones came from this factory.
        • pekk 13y ago
          "The fabricated iPhones" simply means the iPhones which were made. "The fabricated news came from this propaganda ministry" works perfectly, however
          • vacri 13y ago
            'The fabricated iPhones came from this factory', where 'fabricated' means 'produced', is a tautology and hence an ungainly way to present such a sentence ('unfabricated iPhones' wouldn't 'come from' anywhere). As presented, I feel it's more likely for 'fabricated' to mean 'fake', given the context.
            • pekk 13y ago
              I don't think "fabricated iPhones" means fake iPhones at all. It might be awkward, but that doesn't mean that it means 'fake'.
        • jholman 13y ago
          When physical objects are fabricated, it means they're created. "Fabricated" never means "of fraudulent provenance", like your iPhone example. When statements-which-purport-to-be-facts are fabricated, it means they're falsified. So "his claim (that these phones are iPhones) was fabricated" does mean that the phones are not truly iPhones. As I consider it, this makes some sense; you cannot create a fact, but you can create a physical object, and you can create a lie. Things like an analysis are on the border. And indeed, my intuition as a native speaker accepts "fabricate an analysis" in either sense.
          • gojomo 13y ago
            Never say never; I think most American speakers would find that the 'fabricated iPhones' noun phrase implies that the iPhones are counterfeits. Otherwise the adjective would be awkwardly unnecessary – all iPhones are already manufactured. So, it must be there to emphasize (or at least hint at) the other meaning of 'fabricated'. It's a little bit of an uncommon/sloppy usage, but still clear... more likely to appear in impromptu speech than writing.
    • neutronicus 13y ago
      The idea is that true data always existed, and hence do not need to be "fabricated". Same with true stories as opposed to false ones.