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He's using the same logic that's used against extremists: if they're disenfranchised then they're a threat, and if we're disenfranchising them then they're a th
by ihsw 13y ago
He's using the same logic that's used against extremists: if they're disenfranchised then they're a threat, and if we're disenfranchising them then they're a threat to us.
Why does the military have indefinite detention? It's simple: as a matter of policy they torture suspects, but since they were tortured then it stands to reason that they will become radicalized upon release, so they're held indefinitely.
Let me spell it out again in simpler terms: the military holds them because the military tortured them.
Not torturing them isn't even an considered an option despite the dollar cost of maintaining an off-shore super-maximum-security prison for hundreds of people guarded by a large military presence.
- diminoten 13y agoNo, he's saying that there are groups on the Internet known for lashing out at companies for various politically motivated reasons, and this Snowden story is going to be one such reason. His choice to call them terrorists isn't something I'm going to really defend, but if it makes you feel any better, he hasn't been in charge of anything for 4 years.
- ihsw 13y agoHe may not have been in charge of anything for four years, but it would be nice to see General Alexander condemning such specious reasoning and fear-mongering.
- mpyne 13y agoIs it fear-mongering? Sites actually do get hacked and defaced all the time for political advocacy (e.g. LulzSec). I've long been more afraid, in general, of computer hackers than government.
- Zigurd 13y ago> " I've long been more afraid, in general, of computer hackers than government." Seriously?
- mpyne 13y agoYes, seriously. People like to think that computer hackers have some perfect sense of morality, I have real-life experience that they don't. The government, though occasionally surreal, has not once been a serious impediment to anything I've wanted to do, and in fact has occasionally been an exceptional aid in what I've wanted to do.
- Zigurd 13y agoI find it amazing that anyone can still justify what the government is doing. Every line has been crossed. To the DEA, to the IRS. And, still, you are okie dokie. I am amazed.
- mpyne 13y agoRead what I wrote. Did I justify what the government is doing? Or did I say that relative to non-governmental threats that the government has not yet reached the top of the list? If those like you were in charge of invention shops in the 19th century the light bulb would never have been invented. "Ugh, look, this piece of shit failed for the 20th time, this will never work, we should just give up entirely." Luckily we have had innovators throughout history who are not afraid to see the future as it should be and to iterate, iterate, iterate and iterate some more to bring the world closer to that ideal reality. Does the government still have work to go? Absolutely, but it can be made better, which is not something I can say for everyone.
- Zigurd 13y agoI see. So we can have a more perfect surveillance state. And then it will be OK.
- diminoten 13y agoIt'd be nice to see Obama pardon Snowden, too.
- ck2 13y agoPretty sure we are going to be into at least two or three presidents trying to hang Snowden from the flagpole. They will never pardon him because of their fear of the next sysadmin exposing crimes of the state.
- diminoten 13y agoDo you blame them for that fear? This time it's spying, next time what if it's troop deployments? What if CI names get leaked by someone who finds the CIs to be scumbags?