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Time to donate to the EFF. They haven't been branded as a terrorist charity yet, AFAIK...

by rsync 13y ago

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ck2 13y ago
The head of the NSA branded them as "the next terrorists". http://www.salon.com/2013/08/06/cyberscare_ex_nsa_chief_calls_transparency_groups_hackers_next_terrorists/singleton/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/06/cyberscare_ex_nsa_chief_call...
- ToastyMallows 13y ago
  > “nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years” Now that's a generalization if I ever heard one.
  - 0003 13y ago
    These people are in for another rude awakening.[1] [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_activists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_activists
  - pasbesoin 13y ago
    The following is a bit of a stretch, but the quoted abusive language from Hayden brings it to mind, as the movie "Eastern Promises" just came up in conversation the other day. There is a scene in "Eastern Promises" where the protagonist, a "deep cover" police officer infiltrating the Russian / Eastern European mob in London, is compelled to have sex with an enslaved woman in order to prove that he isn't gay. (Because, up to this point, he has not shown interest in these "usual" activities.) The quote from Hayden, after raising my ire, quickly made me think of this. So, Hayden is more or less saying that, um... "lack of demonstrated sexual prowess" is tantamount to being a misanthrope -- and worse, from the criminal justice perspective, a "criminal" (I'll refrain from using the t-word, including because it probably bumps the ranking of a post in today's data collection systems). Of course, one might presume to take it as implied also, that if you're gay, you belong to this group. That such a figure of authority can and does so loosely -- or perhaps purposefully -- bandy about such prejudiced language... These are not consummate professionals. They are... apparatchiks.
  - VladRussian2 13y ago
    >"twentysomethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years" guess one of the patterns coded into their dragnet. Note to geeks - get out and talk to girls or your file will be moved into "next terrorists" folder :)
- diminoten 13y ago
  Former head, and he was talking about the extremists who might attack Google or Microsoft, not lobbying groups like the EFF.
  - ihsw 13y ago
    He's using the same logic that's used against extremists: if they're disenfranchised then they're a threat, and if we're disenfranchising them then they're a threat to us. Why does the military have indefinite detention? It's simple: as a matter of policy they torture suspects, but since they were tortured then it stands to reason that they will become radicalized upon release, so they're held indefinitely. Let me spell it out again in simpler terms: the military holds them because the military tortured them. Not torturing them isn't even an considered an option despite the dollar cost of maintaining an off-shore super-maximum-security prison for hundreds of people guarded by a large military presence.
    - diminoten 13y ago
      No, he's saying that there are groups on the Internet known for lashing out at companies for various politically motivated reasons, and this Snowden story is going to be one such reason. His choice to call them terrorists isn't something I'm going to really defend, but if it makes you feel any better, he hasn't been in charge of anything for 4 years.
      - ihsw 13y ago
        He may not have been in charge of anything for four years, but it would be nice to see General Alexander condemning such specious reasoning and fear-mongering.
        mpyne 13y ago
        Is it fear-mongering? Sites actually do get hacked and defaced all the time for political advocacy (e.g. LulzSec). I've long been more afraid, in general, of computer hackers than government.
- heartbreak 13y ago
  He's not the head of NSA. He's the former head of NSA.
venomsnake 13y ago
Don't give ideas. Too bad that he does not have donations page. I would gladly donate. Also - respect for the decision he made. If he kickstarts a campaign for restoring the service I will be there too.
- stelonix 13y ago
  Do you mean Lavabit? There's a donation link at the end of the post.
- erichurkman 13y ago
  There is a link at the bottom of the email to a PayPal page for donations to a Legal Defense Fund. I do wonder if PayPal was a good choice for this, or just a choice of convenience. I have trouble trusting PayPal given how many horror stories about accounts being suspended, funds seized (or returned to the senders), and phantom account locks for fraud investigations.
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homeomorphic 13y ago
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130626/00193023622/supporting-eff-means-youre-security-risk.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130626/00193023622/suppo... is pretty chilling (but at least it has an entertaining picture) if you haven't seen it.

Time to donate to the EFF. They haven't been branded as a terrorist charity yet, AFAIK...

by rsync 13y ago

Time to donate to the EFF. They haven't been branded as a terrorist charity yet, AFAIK...

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ck2 13y ago

The head of the NSA branded them as "the next terrorists". http://www.salon.com/2013/08/06/cyberscare_ex_nsa_chief_calls_transparency_groups_hackers_next_terrorists/singleton/ http://www.salon.com/2013/08/06/cyberscare_ex_nsa_chief_call...

ToastyMallows 13y ago
> “nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years” Now that's a generalization if I ever heard one.
- 0003 13y ago
  These people are in for another rude awakening.[1] [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_activists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_activists
- pasbesoin 13y ago
  The following is a bit of a stretch, but the quoted abusive language from Hayden brings it to mind, as the movie "Eastern Promises" just came up in conversation the other day. There is a scene in "Eastern Promises" where the protagonist, a "deep cover" police officer infiltrating the Russian / Eastern European mob in London, is compelled to have sex with an enslaved woman in order to prove that he isn't gay. (Because, up to this point, he has not shown interest in these "usual" activities.) The quote from Hayden, after raising my ire, quickly made me think of this. So, Hayden is more or less saying that, um... "lack of demonstrated sexual prowess" is tantamount to being a misanthrope -- and worse, from the criminal justice perspective, a "criminal" (I'll refrain from using the t-word, including because it probably bumps the ranking of a post in today's data collection systems). Of course, one might presume to take it as implied also, that if you're gay, you belong to this group. That such a figure of authority can and does so loosely -- or perhaps purposefully -- bandy about such prejudiced language... These are not consummate professionals. They are... apparatchiks.
- VladRussian2 13y ago
  >"twentysomethings who haven’t talked to the opposite sex in five or six years" guess one of the patterns coded into their dragnet. Note to geeks - get out and talk to girls or your file will be moved into "next terrorists" folder :)
diminoten 13y ago
Former head, and he was talking about the extremists who might attack Google or Microsoft, not lobbying groups like the EFF.
- ihsw 13y ago
  He's using the same logic that's used against extremists: if they're disenfranchised then they're a threat, and if we're disenfranchising them then they're a threat to us. Why does the military have indefinite detention? It's simple: as a matter of policy they torture suspects, but since they were tortured then it stands to reason that they will become radicalized upon release, so they're held indefinitely. Let me spell it out again in simpler terms: the military holds them because the military tortured them. Not torturing them isn't even an considered an option despite the dollar cost of maintaining an off-shore super-maximum-security prison for hundreds of people guarded by a large military presence.
  - diminoten 13y ago
    No, he's saying that there are groups on the Internet known for lashing out at companies for various politically motivated reasons, and this Snowden story is going to be one such reason. His choice to call them terrorists isn't something I'm going to really defend, but if it makes you feel any better, he hasn't been in charge of anything for 4 years.
    - ihsw 13y ago
      He may not have been in charge of anything for four years, but it would be nice to see General Alexander condemning such specious reasoning and fear-mongering.
      - mpyne 13y ago
        Is it fear-mongering? Sites actually do get hacked and defaced all the time for political advocacy (e.g. LulzSec). I've long been more afraid, in general, of computer hackers than government.
heartbreak 13y ago
He's not the head of NSA. He's the former head of NSA.

venomsnake 13y ago

Don't give ideas. Too bad that he does not have donations page. I would gladly donate. Also - respect for the decision he made. If he kickstarts a campaign for restoring the service I will be there too.

stelonix 13y ago
Do you mean Lavabit? There's a donation link at the end of the post.
erichurkman 13y ago
There is a link at the bottom of the email to a PayPal page for donations to a Legal Defense Fund. I do wonder if PayPal was a good choice for this, or just a choice of convenience. I have trouble trusting PayPal given how many horror stories about accounts being suspended, funds seized (or returned to the senders), and phantom account locks for fraud investigations.
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homeomorphic 13y ago

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130626/00193023622/supporting-eff-means-youre-security-risk.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130626/00193023622/suppo... is pretty chilling (but at least it has an entertaining picture) if you haven't seen it.