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@MrMember Sorry I deleted my other comment, but I can't help but laugh at your response that they exhale propylene glycol, ROFL. That's the chemical used to d

by readme 13y ago

@MrMember Sorry I deleted my other comment, but I can't help but laugh at your response that they exhale propylene glycol, ROFL. That's the chemical used to de-ice airplanes!!! Wikipedia says that the oral toxicity of it is low, but it can be harmful in large amounts. So I would have to casually guess that the long term effects of it, and if you smoke heavily, that it could be a problem.

freehunter 13y ago
You know what chemical we use around here to de-ice? Salt. Both of these are generally recognized as safe and are approved for both human and animal food additives. The anti-freeze that is made with propylene glycol is labeled as non-toxic. So really I'm not sure what you're laughing at.
- readme 13y ago
  I wouldn't want to inhale and exhale salt all day, either.
EpicEng 13y ago
It's also the same chemical used in asthma inhalers and, oh yeah, food. Your argument is completely irrational. Oh, it's used for 'X', it must be bad!
dsl 13y ago
According to Wikipedia, "Propylene glycol is considered generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and it is used as an humectant (E1520), solvent, and preservative in food ... It is also used in pharmaceutical and personal care products."
daraul 13y ago
Propylene glycol is indeed a major component of antifreeze, such as what is used to de-ice airplanes. It's also a major component of automobile antifreeze. It's also true that automotive antifreeze is generally toxic to humans and animals. It's especially concerning because the propylene glycol helps make them sweet, which makes them attractive for kids and animals to drink. However, the toxicity of these liquids has more to do with the methanol and ethanol glycol in them than the propylene glycol. The first two are generally known to be toxic: The third is generally recognized as a safe food additive, and is indeed used as coolant/antifreeze around food processing where the potential for leaks and ingestion exist.
- freehunter 13y ago
  >It's especially concerning because the propylene glycol helps make them sweet, which makes them attractive for kids and animals to drink. I hate this argument when used to say why flavored tobacco, alcohol, etc should be banned (I'm not sure that you're making that claim, I'm assuming you are only referring to their use in anti-freeze. However, it's a common trend and is used against e-cigs as well). Adult things should taste bad because if they taste good kids will consume them? I like sweets too. Not everything has to taste like Arby's.
  - daraul 13y ago
    Yeah, I'm not making that argument at all. It's only a problem with antifreeze because it's something very harmful to consume, yet it has a somewhat attractive, food-like odor and taste. Dangerous things to eat should taste bad to indicate you shouldn't eat them, but that's not always practical and this isn't a perfect world.

by readme 13y ago

freehunter 13y ago

You know what chemical we use around here to de-ice? Salt. Both of these are generally recognized as safe and are approved for both human and animal food additives. The anti-freeze that is made with propylene glycol is labeled as non-toxic. So really I'm not sure what you're laughing at.

readme 13y ago
I wouldn't want to inhale and exhale salt all day, either.

EpicEng 13y ago

It's also the same chemical used in asthma inhalers and, oh yeah, food. Your argument is completely irrational. Oh, it's used for 'X', it must be bad!

dsl 13y ago

According to Wikipedia, "Propylene glycol is considered generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and it is used as an humectant (E1520), solvent, and preservative in food ... It is also used in pharmaceutical and personal care products."

daraul 13y ago

Propylene glycol is indeed a major component of antifreeze, such as what is used to de-ice airplanes. It's also a major component of automobile antifreeze. It's also true that automotive antifreeze is generally toxic to humans and animals. It's especially concerning because the propylene glycol helps make them sweet, which makes them attractive for kids and animals to drink. However, the toxicity of these liquids has more to do with the methanol and ethanol glycol in them than the propylene glycol. The first two are generally known to be toxic: The third is generally recognized as a safe food additive, and is indeed used as coolant/antifreeze around food processing where the potential for leaks and ingestion exist.

freehunter 13y ago
>It's especially concerning because the propylene glycol helps make them sweet, which makes them attractive for kids and animals to drink. I hate this argument when used to say why flavored tobacco, alcohol, etc should be banned (I'm not sure that you're making that claim, I'm assuming you are only referring to their use in anti-freeze. However, it's a common trend and is used against e-cigs as well). Adult things should taste bad because if they taste good kids will consume them? I like sweets too. Not everything has to taste like Arby's.
- daraul 13y ago
  Yeah, I'm not making that argument at all. It's only a problem with antifreeze because it's something very harmful to consume, yet it has a somewhat attractive, food-like odor and taste. Dangerous things to eat should taste bad to indicate you shouldn't eat them, but that's not always practical and this isn't a perfect world.