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> freeing Western Europe from Nazism Here I was thinking it was "World War II" not "America saves the world II". > freeing Asia from Imperial Japan Yeah Russ

by Volpe 13y ago

> freeing Western Europe from Nazism Here I was thinking it was "World War II" not "America saves the world II". > freeing Asia from Imperial Japan Yeah Russia had NOTHING to do with that one (except for pushing them out of china, and being as pivotal as the US bombing of Japan in it's ultimate surrender). > freeing Eastern Europe from communism Because communist are evil and all that other crap US propaganda teaches us. > It played a huge role in reconstructing Europe after WWII and I guess the same is true of Japan. Well yeah, it played a huge role in destroying them as well... Any more cherry picking you'd like to ad to that list? Invented freedom perhaps?

tome 13y ago
As much as I think it's futile to respond to details when it's the big picture that is far more relevant ... > Here I was thinking it was "World War II" not "America saves the world II". America had a huge role in this, not as significant as Americans like to think, but huge nonetheless. > Yeah Russia had NOTHING to do with that one Russia declared war on Japan one week before the war was over. > Because communist are evil and all that other crap US propaganda teaches us. No need to build a strawman. Just ask yourself whether you would have preferred to live in Western Europe or a Soviet satellite. > Well yeah, it played a huge role in destroying them as well... Err .. what?
gadders 13y ago
The USSR/Warsaw Pact was evil. I don't think you can even debate that, unless you want to claim Hitler and Pol Pot were misunderstood as well.
- pkinsky 13y ago
  I've got some bad news for you about the US and Britain. I assume you know about Churchill's prefered method for dealing with 'uncivilized tribes', poison gas?
  - tome 13y ago
    I don't understand the line of argumentation that, because one entity is (partly) very bad it can't be much better than another entity.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
I’ll just leave this here. "The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan... Stalin Did" http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_didnt_beat_japan_nuclear_world_war_ii http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_di...
mpyne 13y ago
> Yeah Russia had NOTHING to do with that one (except for pushing them out of china, and being as pivotal as the US bombing of Japan in it's ultimate surrender). The USSR defeated the Kwantung Army in Khalkin Gol in like 1939 and then sat on their ass with regard to Japan until August 1945. Certainly the declaration of war came as a shock to Japan, but Japan would have been much better prepared for war with the USSR had the U.S. not been pushing the Empire back to the Home Islands for the 3.5 years preceding that! What you're saying here is like saying that Italy had anything to do with defeating France just because they managed to declare war and get some troops across the mountains into France before France finally capitulated to Germany.

by Volpe 13y ago

tome 13y ago

As much as I think it's futile to respond to details when it's the big picture that is far more relevant ... > Here I was thinking it was "World War II" not "America saves the world II". America had a huge role in this, not as significant as Americans like to think, but huge nonetheless. > Yeah Russia had NOTHING to do with that one Russia declared war on Japan one week before the war was over. > Because communist are evil and all that other crap US propaganda teaches us. No need to build a strawman. Just ask yourself whether you would have preferred to live in Western Europe or a Soviet satellite. > Well yeah, it played a huge role in destroying them as well... Err .. what?

gadders 13y ago

The USSR/Warsaw Pact was evil. I don't think you can even debate that, unless you want to claim Hitler and Pol Pot were misunderstood as well.

pkinsky 13y ago
I've got some bad news for you about the US and Britain. I assume you know about Churchill's prefered method for dealing with 'uncivilized tribes', poison gas?
- tome 13y ago
  I don't understand the line of argumentation that, because one entity is (partly) very bad it can't be much better than another entity.

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago

I’ll just leave this here. "The Bomb Didn't Beat Japan... Stalin Did" http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_didnt_beat_japan_nuclear_world_war_ii http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_di...

mpyne 13y ago

> Yeah Russia had NOTHING to do with that one (except for pushing them out of china, and being as pivotal as the US bombing of Japan in it's ultimate surrender). The USSR defeated the Kwantung Army in Khalkin Gol in like 1939 and then sat on their ass with regard to Japan until August 1945. Certainly the declaration of war came as a shock to Japan, but Japan would have been much better prepared for war with the USSR had the U.S. not been pushing the Empire back to the Home Islands for the 3.5 years preceding that! What you're saying here is like saying that Italy had anything to do with defeating France just because they managed to declare war and get some troops across the mountains into France before France finally capitulated to Germany.