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Google supports MariaDB

88 points by GravityWell 13y ago

james2vegas 13y ago
Maybe they can fix MariaDB to use something other than ucontext (which is no longer part of POSIX) or i386/x86-64 only asssembly for co-routines. But they probably won't since this is Google, and it "works just fine on Linux"
jt2190 13y ago
tl;dr > [Google] has sent an [unnamed] engineer to the MariaDB > Foundation... Asked [what they get], Google declined to > comment.
- MetaCosm 13y ago
  Half Life 3 confirmed?
  - untog 13y ago
    This isn't Reddit
- DannyBee 13y ago
  In return, Google gets 3 first round draft picks and an engineer to be named later. (Seriously though, this whole article is summed up by your sentence, the rest is filler)
devnetfx 13y ago
Wonder when will GoSQL appear from Google?
GravityWell 13y ago
Hopefully MariaDB can incorporate SQL window functions: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/tutorial-window.html http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/tutorial-window.ht... These have been part of PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Oracle, etc for quite a while and still absent from MariaDB/MySQL.
jrochkind1 13y ago
What the heck is the 'chocolate factory'?
- tortillasauce 13y ago
  I guess they are referring to Google as The Chocolate Factory from Charley and The Chocolate Factory.
- rtehfm 13y ago
  Apparently it's a nickname for Google. http://wikibin.org/articles/mountain-view-chocolate-factory.html http://wikibin.org/articles/mountain-view-chocolate-factory....
ergo14 13y ago
I would rather be more happy to see them support Postgresql, especially in app engine.
- GravityWell 13y ago
  I'm not sure why MySQL seems to have received more attention over the years. PostgreSQL might be more robust. One point about PostgreSQL that bothered me was the apparent lack of case insensitive collation. Where SQL Server, Oracle, and MySQL default to case insensitive, PostgreSQL defaults to case sensitive, and there was no built in way to change this, so you have to do things like "WHERE LOWER(namecol) = 'jdoe'" to work around it. At least that was the situation last time I checked.
  - annnnd 13y ago
    Because at some point in time mySQL was widely installed with all providers, and PostgreSQL wasn't. I guess it was just a bit sooner adoption-ready, and that counted.
    - rimantas 13y ago
      Do you really think that was a factor for Google, Facebook? One word: replication.
      - erichurkman 13y ago
        The word "slony" still makes me tremble in fear, even years after I last used it.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    There's citext[1] for the case sensitivity problem. [1] http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/citext.html http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/citext.html
  - awj 13y ago
    For a long time MySQL was easier to get started with, and the integration with PHP made it a popular choice on shared hosting services. A lot of developers cut their teeth on MySQL, many haven't felt the need to seek out alternatives.
gonvaled 13y ago
Can somebodody comment on this? > I'd have added one thing to the licence: that this > licence is GPL but after three years it reverts to BSD, > then Oracle wouldn’t have bought Sun because we’d be free > within three years and MySQL would be BSD and nobody > could take that away What is the problem with the GPL in this case? That changes / additions must be given to Oracle?
- annnnd 13y ago
  If you want to link your proprietary software to GPL-ed MySQL, you can't. They used to sell (expensive) licenses if you wanted to do that. I know because I wanted to use it this way and was forced to use SQLite instead (which performed nicely btw). I am not sure how MariaDB solves these issues though? Because they will have to stay on GPL forever if I understand correctly.
  - justincormack 13y ago
    The only thing you need to link to is the client library, as talking to the database over a socket is not linking. I believe there are non GPL client libraries now for many languages.
  - yxhuvud 13y ago
    One thing they have done is to create a LGPLd client library.
- pessimizer 13y ago
  I think it's somebody who doesn't like GPL and does like BSD using too many words. With BSD, you can incorporate it into your closed source code or add closed source code to it. It becomes free as in beer.
- hannibal5 13y ago
  MySQL was developed buy MySQL AB and they owned copyrights to the code. They provided dual licensing option, GPL and commercial licence. It made sense for Oracle to buy the company because they were only ones who could sell commercial licensees. Under BSD that would have not been possible. If the licence would have been 3 years of GPL, then BSD, Oracle would have bought only three years monopoly to sell commercial licensees to the software. After that, owning the copyright would be mostly meaningless. Monty Program Ab (company developing MariaDB) is now restricted to GPL/LGPL fork of the MySQL (that's what MariaDB is) they are not able to sell closed source versions. Personally, I don't see problem with this. I guess it just limits the money making abilities of Monty Program Ab.
at-fates-hands 13y ago
It looks like MariaDB is getting some good run lately. I just installed Fedora 19 on one of my older boxes and they decided to have MariaDB as the default DB.
RRRA 13y ago
BSD is NOT Copyleft... this article is terrible :P
- andrewflnr 13y ago
  BSD is a permissive copy-left licence that allows you to do anything to code ... of huge significant ... "You can repeat MySQL with MariaDB." (Speaking on compatibility. Did Widenius actually say that?) Just beautiful. :D Also, considering both Oracle and Google are currently headed by "Larry"s, I wish that if they want to shorten Larry Ellison's name, they would consistently shorten it to "Ellison", rather than "Larry" as they do a couple times.
kabell 13y ago
Another possibly relevant fact in this matter is that the Android/Java lawsuit certainly didn't help the Oracle/Google relationship...

88 points by GravityWell 13y ago

Maybe they can fix MariaDB to use something other than ucontext (which is no longer part of POSIX) or i386/x86-64 only asssembly for co-routines. But they probably won't since this is Google, and it "works just fine on Linux"

jt2190 13y ago

tl;dr > [Google] has sent an [unnamed] engineer to the MariaDB > Foundation... Asked [what they get], Google declined to > comment.

MetaCosm 13y ago
Half Life 3 confirmed?
- untog 13y ago
  This isn't Reddit
DannyBee 13y ago
In return, Google gets 3 first round draft picks and an engineer to be named later. (Seriously though, this whole article is summed up by your sentence, the rest is filler)

devnetfx 13y ago

Wonder when will GoSQL appear from Google?

GravityWell 13y ago

Hopefully MariaDB can incorporate SQL window functions: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/tutorial-window.html http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/tutorial-window.ht... These have been part of PostgreSQL, SQL Server, Oracle, etc for quite a while and still absent from MariaDB/MySQL.

jrochkind1 13y ago

What the heck is the 'chocolate factory'?

tortillasauce 13y ago
I guess they are referring to Google as The Chocolate Factory from Charley and The Chocolate Factory.
rtehfm 13y ago
Apparently it's a nickname for Google. http://wikibin.org/articles/mountain-view-chocolate-factory.html http://wikibin.org/articles/mountain-view-chocolate-factory....

ergo14 13y ago

I would rather be more happy to see them support Postgresql, especially in app engine.

GravityWell 13y ago
I'm not sure why MySQL seems to have received more attention over the years. PostgreSQL might be more robust. One point about PostgreSQL that bothered me was the apparent lack of case insensitive collation. Where SQL Server, Oracle, and MySQL default to case insensitive, PostgreSQL defaults to case sensitive, and there was no built in way to change this, so you have to do things like "WHERE LOWER(namecol) = 'jdoe'" to work around it. At least that was the situation last time I checked.
- annnnd 13y ago
  Because at some point in time mySQL was widely installed with all providers, and PostgreSQL wasn't. I guess it was just a bit sooner adoption-ready, and that counted.
  - rimantas 13y ago
    Do you really think that was a factor for Google, Facebook? One word: replication.
    - erichurkman 13y ago
      The word "slony" still makes me tremble in fear, even years after I last used it.
- icebraining 13y ago
  There's citext[1] for the case sensitivity problem. [1] http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/citext.html http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/citext.html
- awj 13y ago
  For a long time MySQL was easier to get started with, and the integration with PHP made it a popular choice on shared hosting services. A lot of developers cut their teeth on MySQL, many haven't felt the need to seek out alternatives.

gonvaled 13y ago

Can somebodody comment on this? > I'd have added one thing to the licence: that this > licence is GPL but after three years it reverts to BSD, > then Oracle wouldn’t have bought Sun because we’d be free > within three years and MySQL would be BSD and nobody > could take that away What is the problem with the GPL in this case? That changes / additions must be given to Oracle?

annnnd 13y ago
If you want to link your proprietary software to GPL-ed MySQL, you can't. They used to sell (expensive) licenses if you wanted to do that. I know because I wanted to use it this way and was forced to use SQLite instead (which performed nicely btw). I am not sure how MariaDB solves these issues though? Because they will have to stay on GPL forever if I understand correctly.
- justincormack 13y ago
  The only thing you need to link to is the client library, as talking to the database over a socket is not linking. I believe there are non GPL client libraries now for many languages.
- yxhuvud 13y ago
  One thing they have done is to create a LGPLd client library.
pessimizer 13y ago
I think it's somebody who doesn't like GPL and does like BSD using too many words. With BSD, you can incorporate it into your closed source code or add closed source code to it. It becomes free as in beer.
hannibal5 13y ago
MySQL was developed buy MySQL AB and they owned copyrights to the code. They provided dual licensing option, GPL and commercial licence. It made sense for Oracle to buy the company because they were only ones who could sell commercial licensees. Under BSD that would have not been possible. If the licence would have been 3 years of GPL, then BSD, Oracle would have bought only three years monopoly to sell commercial licensees to the software. After that, owning the copyright would be mostly meaningless. Monty Program Ab (company developing MariaDB) is now restricted to GPL/LGPL fork of the MySQL (that's what MariaDB is) they are not able to sell closed source versions. Personally, I don't see problem with this. I guess it just limits the money making abilities of Monty Program Ab.

at-fates-hands 13y ago

It looks like MariaDB is getting some good run lately. I just installed Fedora 19 on one of my older boxes and they decided to have MariaDB as the default DB.

RRRA 13y ago

BSD is NOT Copyleft... this article is terrible :P

andrewflnr 13y ago
BSD is a permissive copy-left licence that allows you to do anything to code ... of huge significant ... "You can repeat MySQL with MariaDB." (Speaking on compatibility. Did Widenius actually say that?) Just beautiful. :D Also, considering both Oracle and Google are currently headed by "Larry"s, I wish that if they want to shorten Larry Ellison's name, they would consistently shorten it to "Ellison", rather than "Larry" as they do a couple times.

kabell 13y ago

Another possibly relevant fact in this matter is that the Android/Java lawsuit certainly didn't help the Oracle/Google relationship...