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>> a surprising number of Americans (also commenters here in Hacker News) seem to lack that kind of sense of symmetry. Russia is quickly turning away from [Ed

by berntb 13y ago

>> a surprising number of Americans (also commenters here in Hacker News) seem to lack that kind of sense of symmetry. Russia is quickly turning away from [Edit: the road to] democracy, the state seems to become integrated with organized crime. And Russia support some of today's worst mass murderers/torturers. That is a large lack of symmetry... which you are fully aware of, but ignore yourself. And no, I'm not arguing that USA, or any other place, is perfect. But there are grades of grey. Subjects like this, where lots of believers have knee reflex reactions and just hate, don't work on HN or on any non-moderated discussion board. (And that is even before the trolls come out to make fun of the fanatics.)

tome 13y ago
> Russia is quickly turning away from democracy You're very generous to suggest they've ever been anything like a democracy. > Subjects like this, where lots of believers have knee reflex reactions and just hate, don't work on HN or on any non-moderated discussion board Indeed.
tomp 13y ago
In my view, the US is also quickly turning away from democracy, along with many other western nations. They are becoming more and more integrated with organized crime (banks, military complex, surveillance business, cyberattacks, ...). And they are some of today's worst mass murderers (Afghanistan, Iraq) and torturers (Guantanamo, Manning).
pkinsky 13y ago
> And Russia support some of today's worst mass murderers/torturers. Are you arguing for or against symmetry? The US has gotten much better since the end of the Cold War, but we still prop up the House of Saud, for example.
informatic001 13y ago
Maybe you should consider reading this by Catherine Austin Fitts, an former Assistant Secretary of Housing - Federal Housing Commissioner, Bush I. "The dependence of the U.S. economy and the federal finances on war and organized crime is significant and to date enjoys the popular support of the general population. I have written about the federal governments involvement in narcotics trafficking and financial fraud, and support in the general population for that involvement. Here are four excerpts: ..... One of the dirty little secrets behind the housing bubble is the long standing partnership of narcotics trafficking and mortgage fraud and the use of the two in combination to target and destroy minority and poor communities with highly profitable economic warfare. This model is global. It is operating in counties throughout the world as well as in US communities." Other excerpts can be read here: http://solari.com/articles/beyond_the_fiscal_cliff http://solari.com/articles/beyond_the_fiscal_cliff

by berntb 13y ago

tome 13y ago

> Russia is quickly turning away from democracy You're very generous to suggest they've ever been anything like a democracy. > Subjects like this, where lots of believers have knee reflex reactions and just hate, don't work on HN or on any non-moderated discussion board Indeed.

tomp 13y ago

In my view, the US is also quickly turning away from democracy, along with many other western nations. They are becoming more and more integrated with organized crime (banks, military complex, surveillance business, cyberattacks, ...). And they are some of today's worst mass murderers (Afghanistan, Iraq) and torturers (Guantanamo, Manning).

pkinsky 13y ago

> And Russia support some of today's worst mass murderers/torturers. Are you arguing for or against symmetry? The US has gotten much better since the end of the Cold War, but we still prop up the House of Saud, for example.

informatic001 13y ago

Maybe you should consider reading this by Catherine Austin Fitts, an former Assistant Secretary of Housing - Federal Housing Commissioner, Bush I. "The dependence of the U.S. economy and the federal finances on war and organized crime is significant and to date enjoys the popular support of the general population. I have written about the federal governments involvement in narcotics trafficking and financial fraud, and support in the general population for that involvement. Here are four excerpts: ..... One of the dirty little secrets behind the housing bubble is the long standing partnership of narcotics trafficking and mortgage fraud and the use of the two in combination to target and destroy minority and poor communities with highly profitable economic warfare. This model is global. It is operating in counties throughout the world as well as in US communities." Other excerpts can be read here: http://solari.com/articles/beyond_the_fiscal_cliff http://solari.com/articles/beyond_the_fiscal_cliff