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I think some people become very indignant about this issue only because it's Russia. I don't see that much indignation at other nations that treat non heterosex

I think some people become very indignant about this issue only because it's Russia. I don't see that much indignation at other nations that treat non heterosexual people worst. Other nations whose treatment of women and religious minorities can't not but be called barbarous. Some of whom are close allies of the USA. I personally see no problem with how other nations manage their internal affairs, as long as they keep to themselves.

GotAnyMegadeth 13y ago
> I personally see no problem with how other nations manage their internal affairs, as long as they keep to themselves. Really?
mistercow 13y ago
"Other countries do it too!" is a common derailing tactic, and it's not worth very much consideration. I will note, however, that Russia is hosting the 2014 Winter Olympics. Traditionally, hosting the Olympics has been a pretty good catalyst for getting the world to bring your country under a bit of scrutiny. If the Olympics were being held in Dubai, then the only reason we wouldn't be hearing about how they treat gays would be all of the screaming the plethora of other social issues plaguing the UAE. As for: >I personally see no problem with how other nations manage their internal affairs, as long as they keep to themselves. If your neighbor were murdering women in his basement, would you say "Well, that's just his business really. I should keep to myself and not bother him"?
- Someone 13y ago
  "If the Olympics were being held in Dubai, then the only reason we wouldn't be hearing about how they treat gays would be all of the screaming the plethora of other social issues plaguing the UAE." I agree that we would _hear_ from it, and that we should do more than talk of it, but will we? We'll know that ten years from now (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup). Yes, that's not the Olympics and not the UAE, but I think the case is similar enough for this discussion. I am a pessimistic about that; we had a World Cup under Videla in Argentinia, too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FIFA_World_Cup#Controversy_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FIFA_World_Cup#Controversy...)

GotAnyMegadeth 13y ago

> I personally see no problem with how other nations manage their internal affairs, as long as they keep to themselves. Really?

mistercow 13y ago

"Other countries do it too!" is a common derailing tactic, and it's not worth very much consideration. I will note, however, that Russia is hosting the 2014 Winter Olympics. Traditionally, hosting the Olympics has been a pretty good catalyst for getting the world to bring your country under a bit of scrutiny. If the Olympics were being held in Dubai, then the only reason we wouldn't be hearing about how they treat gays would be all of the screaming the plethora of other social issues plaguing the UAE. As for: >I personally see no problem with how other nations manage their internal affairs, as long as they keep to themselves. If your neighbor were murdering women in his basement, would you say "Well, that's just his business really. I should keep to myself and not bother him"?

Someone 13y ago
"If the Olympics were being held in Dubai, then the only reason we wouldn't be hearing about how they treat gays would be all of the screaming the plethora of other social issues plaguing the UAE." I agree that we would _hear_ from it, and that we should do more than talk of it, but will we? We'll know that ten years from now (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup). Yes, that's not the Olympics and not the UAE, but I think the case is similar enough for this discussion. I am a pessimistic about that; we had a World Cup under Videla in Argentinia, too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FIFA_World_Cup#Controversy_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_FIFA_World_Cup#Controversy...)