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I did vote for a candidate in 2008 who opposed the Bush administration's massive build-up of surveillance infrastructure: Obama. By 2012, it was clear he wasn'

by rst 13y ago

I did vote for a candidate in 2008 who opposed the Bush administration's massive build-up of surveillance infrastructure: Obama. By 2012, it was clear he wasn't following through, but the other candidate on offer would almost certainly have been, on balance, a whole lot worse --- and a bad choice is still a choice. When, in office, has Obama been representing what I want, in this regard, and when do you think I had an opportunity to change that through the ballot box?

humanrebar 13y ago
Who did you vote for in the 2008 and 2012 primaries? Your complaint here is a false dichotomy. We have many more choices than vote for candidate R or vote for candidate D, especially when you consider that each party had at least one fairly close primary in the last eight years.
TDL 13y ago
"but the other candidate on offer..." There were multiple other candidates on offer. Furthermore, you can write in a candidate or even choose to not vote.
betterunix 13y ago
"I did vote for a candidate in 2008 who opposed the Bush administration's massive build-up of surveillance infrastructure: Obama" Did you have any reason to think that was true, other than what Obama was saying at the time? "the other candidate" Which other candidate? Here are some of the people who were running in the 2008 election: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_... You had a lot of choices then. You also had a lot of choices in 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_...
- rhizome 13y ago
  Did you have any reason to think that was true, other than what Obama was saying at the time? You mean, like, his voting record in Congress?
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by rst 13y ago

humanrebar 13y ago

Who did you vote for in the 2008 and 2012 primaries? Your complaint here is a false dichotomy. We have many more choices than vote for candidate R or vote for candidate D, especially when you consider that each party had at least one fairly close primary in the last eight years.

TDL 13y ago

"but the other candidate on offer..." There were multiple other candidates on offer. Furthermore, you can write in a candidate or even choose to not vote.

betterunix 13y ago

"I did vote for a candidate in 2008 who opposed the Bush administration's massive build-up of surveillance infrastructure: Obama" Did you have any reason to think that was true, other than what Obama was saying at the time? "the other candidate" Which other candidate? Here are some of the people who were running in the 2008 election: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_... You had a lot of choices then. You also had a lot of choices in 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_independent_presidential_candidates,_2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_and_...

rhizome 13y ago
Did you have any reason to think that was true, other than what Obama was saying at the time? You mean, like, his voting record in Congress?

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