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Why do you feel you can ignore the terms of a contract you voluntarily signed ?

JoshTriplett 13y ago
The root comment of this thread was talking about government regulation. You responded with a comment about contracts with landlords or condo associations, to which the response was that those are voluntary agreements (by contrast with government regulation). Nothing in that is talking about ignoring the terms of a voluntary contract; the point is that the government regulations that affect businesses like Uber and AirBnB are not voluntary contracts.
- _delirium 13y ago
  > the point is that the government regulations that affect businesses like Uber and AirBnB are not voluntary contracts. In the AirBnB case, I don't think of it as much different. Homeowner's associations are the way you'd arrange land-use regulations for a large area through contract law, and are becoming the more common way of doing it in places like Texas. In other areas it's done by municipal governments, the more traditional method. But the impact on freedom is more or less than same: by buying property in the jurisdiction of one of these entities, you agree to use the property in accordance with [long list of rules], plus any future rules that may be made in accordance with [procedure]. And the way to avoid it if you don't like the rules, is to buy property not within the homeowner's association or municipality whose land-use regulations you don't like. This happens through both private-sector and public-sector mechanisms pretty similarly, just the private-sector ones are developing more recently. There are other important differences between homeowners' associations and municipalities, such as general police power. But this particular one, whether you can turn your home into a hotel in a particular area, is one where municipal governments are basically equivalent to a standardized bundle of contract law, as evidenced by the fact that in some areas the same regulations are literally being implemented as a standardized bundle of contract law.
  - microcolonel 13y ago
    But who would buy a house, with a non-negotiable contract preventing them from using it to house some people temporarily for some minor profit? If your road maintenance company doesn't care, and you own the land, what's to stop you other than a voluntarily win-win association?

The root comment of this thread was talking about government regulation. You responded with a comment about contracts with landlords or condo associations, to which the response was that those are voluntary agreements (by contrast with government regulation). Nothing in that is talking about ignoring the terms of a voluntary contract; the point is that the government regulations that affect businesses like Uber and AirBnB are not voluntary contracts.

_delirium 13y ago
> the point is that the government regulations that affect businesses like Uber and AirBnB are not voluntary contracts. In the AirBnB case, I don't think of it as much different. Homeowner's associations are the way you'd arrange land-use regulations for a large area through contract law, and are becoming the more common way of doing it in places like Texas. In other areas it's done by municipal governments, the more traditional method. But the impact on freedom is more or less than same: by buying property in the jurisdiction of one of these entities, you agree to use the property in accordance with [long list of rules], plus any future rules that may be made in accordance with [procedure]. And the way to avoid it if you don't like the rules, is to buy property not within the homeowner's association or municipality whose land-use regulations you don't like. This happens through both private-sector and public-sector mechanisms pretty similarly, just the private-sector ones are developing more recently. There are other important differences between homeowners' associations and municipalities, such as general police power. But this particular one, whether you can turn your home into a hotel in a particular area, is one where municipal governments are basically equivalent to a standardized bundle of contract law, as evidenced by the fact that in some areas the same regulations are literally being implemented as a standardized bundle of contract law.
- microcolonel 13y ago
  But who would buy a house, with a non-negotiable contract preventing them from using it to house some people temporarily for some minor profit? If your road maintenance company doesn't care, and you own the land, what's to stop you other than a voluntarily win-win association?