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People getting upset by mere words (not even uttered against them) are hardly worth a hackers time. Get over yourself. Taking on the title of hacker isn't some

People getting upset by mere words (not even uttered against them) are hardly worth a hackers time. Get over yourself. Taking on the title of hacker isn't some prestigious achievement, it's a self-aggrandizing social signal for tech hipsters. Beyond that, every caliber of individual can be upset by 'mere words', including yourself.

pessimizer 13y ago
Are you saying that coldtea is a tech hipster desperately signalling for the purpose of self-aggrandizement? How kind. Is a direct insult to a real person more civil than a fantasy assault on an inanimate object? Because I'm not sure of the rules.
- vectorpush 13y ago
  Dismissing people as hardly worth a hacker's time is pretty self-aggrandizing, yes. Invoking a nebulous definition of hacker as a guideline for appropriate behavior is about as hip as it gets; following a trend for the sake of its title.
  - pessimizer 13y ago
    Is a direct insult to a real person more civil than a fantasy assault on an inanimate object?
coldtea 13y ago
>Taking on the title of hacker isn't some prestigious achievement, it's a self-aggrandizing social signal for tech hipsters. This forum is called "Hacker's news" for a reason. And that reason predates "tech hipsters" by 40+ years. It's not an achievement, I'll give you that. But it IS a culture, and that culture doesn't take self-censorship and puritan values very well... >Beyond that, every caliber of individual can be upset by 'mere words', including yourself. Being upset when some words are targeted at you or at people you do not think deserve such treatment is normal. It's being upset just because of the use of words that's prudish and bad.
- aninhumer 13y ago
  When those words can cause traumatic flashbacks for certain people, I think it is absolutely justified to be upset by their usage, regardless of how they are "targeted". This is not about "puritan values" it's about making an effort understanding the emotions of trauma victims.
- vectorpush 13y ago
  "that reason predates "tech hipsters" by 40+ years" "it IS a culture, and that culture doesn't take self-censorship and puritan values very well..." These days, the title of 'hacker' is akin to the title 'patriot': everybody knows what a real one looks like and they're all too happy to monkey patch their own arbitrary components into the definition. Last I heard, there is no general stance regarding self-censorship in the hacker community. Also, I think its an impressive type conversion for you to cast what is commonly described as overzealous liberalism to puritanical religiosity. There is nothing puritanical about respecting the sensitivities of sexual assault victims.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    >Also, I think its an impressive type conversion for you to cast what is commonly described as overzealous liberalism to puritanical religiosity. Well, I don't consider it that impressive. Political correctness is just one method the liberals found to maintain the puritanical religiosity of their past. Just the secullar side to the same coin. You cannot get puritanism out that easily, you just divert it from religious thinking to other endeavours. We have the same kind of conversions in Europe too -- not to mention that it's a kind of well discussed topic in literature and psychology.

pessimizer 13y ago

Are you saying that coldtea is a tech hipster desperately signalling for the purpose of self-aggrandizement? How kind. Is a direct insult to a real person more civil than a fantasy assault on an inanimate object? Because I'm not sure of the rules.

vectorpush 13y ago
Dismissing people as hardly worth a hacker's time is pretty self-aggrandizing, yes. Invoking a nebulous definition of hacker as a guideline for appropriate behavior is about as hip as it gets; following a trend for the sake of its title.
- pessimizer 13y ago
  Is a direct insult to a real person more civil than a fantasy assault on an inanimate object?

coldtea 13y ago

>Taking on the title of hacker isn't some prestigious achievement, it's a self-aggrandizing social signal for tech hipsters. This forum is called "Hacker's news" for a reason. And that reason predates "tech hipsters" by 40+ years. It's not an achievement, I'll give you that. But it IS a culture, and that culture doesn't take self-censorship and puritan values very well... >Beyond that, every caliber of individual can be upset by 'mere words', including yourself. Being upset when some words are targeted at you or at people you do not think deserve such treatment is normal. It's being upset just because of the use of words that's prudish and bad.

aninhumer 13y ago
When those words can cause traumatic flashbacks for certain people, I think it is absolutely justified to be upset by their usage, regardless of how they are "targeted". This is not about "puritan values" it's about making an effort understanding the emotions of trauma victims.
vectorpush 13y ago
"that reason predates "tech hipsters" by 40+ years" "it IS a culture, and that culture doesn't take self-censorship and puritan values very well..." These days, the title of 'hacker' is akin to the title 'patriot': everybody knows what a real one looks like and they're all too happy to monkey patch their own arbitrary components into the definition. Last I heard, there is no general stance regarding self-censorship in the hacker community. Also, I think its an impressive type conversion for you to cast what is commonly described as overzealous liberalism to puritanical religiosity. There is nothing puritanical about respecting the sensitivities of sexual assault victims.
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Also, I think its an impressive type conversion for you to cast what is commonly described as overzealous liberalism to puritanical religiosity. Well, I don't consider it that impressive. Political correctness is just one method the liberals found to maintain the puritanical religiosity of their past. Just the secullar side to the same coin. You cannot get puritanism out that easily, you just divert it from religious thinking to other endeavours. We have the same kind of conversions in Europe too -- not to mention that it's a kind of well discussed topic in literature and psychology.