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Does this mean that Linux, and other Unix variants (but not Mac OS of course, because Apple plays ball), will be classified as a "Hacker Tool" in the eyes of th

Does this mean that Linux, and other Unix variants (but not Mac OS of course, because Apple plays ball), will be classified as a "Hacker Tool" in the eyes of the law?

sobkas 13y ago
In the "eyes of the law" wget is a "Hacker Tool".
- aclevernickname 13y ago
  Why hasn't anyone made the case that "Hacker Tools" are simply arms, covered under the 2nd Amendment?
  - RobAley 13y ago
    Perhaps because "foreign" countries (i.e. most of the rest of us in the world outside the US and a few other select countries) and much of their populations (me included) see arms as something to be tightly regulated, and so it would fly in the face of what you are trying to achieve for "hacker tools". Internet issues tend towards being global, with notable exceptions.
    - aclevernickname 13y ago
      Right, but Murkins are special. There's this very real culture of "you can take my guns from my cold dead hands" that the rest of the world doesn't quite grok. While the 2nd Amendment argument wouldn't hold much water in, say, Denmark, You could probably get a bunch of NRA members to champion the cause of your friendly neighborhood script kiddie if you sold it to them correctly. And americans only support what's been sold to them. Now, would the world be a better or worse place if someone got SCOTUS to agree that DC v Heller applied to 0-day exploits? Personally, I don't know if I could answer that.
pessimizer 13y ago
Anything without a well-regulated "app store" will be classified as a hacker tool in the eyes of the law.
- aclevernickname 13y ago
  So Ubuntu/Arch/Fedora are safe, because of their respective package management GUI's? I'll take a liberal, CATO-Institute-on-2nd-amendment stance on the concept of what is considered "Well-Regulated" in the eyes of the Law [1]. [1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
  - pessimizer 13y ago
    as long as direct use of dpkg or make is considered a felony.

Does this mean that Linux, and other Unix variants (but not Mac OS of course, because Apple plays ball), will be classified as a "Hacker Tool" in the eyes of the law?

sobkas 13y ago

In the "eyes of the law" wget is a "Hacker Tool".

aclevernickname 13y ago
Why hasn't anyone made the case that "Hacker Tools" are simply arms, covered under the 2nd Amendment?
- RobAley 13y ago
  Perhaps because "foreign" countries (i.e. most of the rest of us in the world outside the US and a few other select countries) and much of their populations (me included) see arms as something to be tightly regulated, and so it would fly in the face of what you are trying to achieve for "hacker tools". Internet issues tend towards being global, with notable exceptions.
  - aclevernickname 13y ago
    Right, but Murkins are special. There's this very real culture of "you can take my guns from my cold dead hands" that the rest of the world doesn't quite grok. While the 2nd Amendment argument wouldn't hold much water in, say, Denmark, You could probably get a bunch of NRA members to champion the cause of your friendly neighborhood script kiddie if you sold it to them correctly. And americans only support what's been sold to them. Now, would the world be a better or worse place if someone got SCOTUS to agree that DC v Heller applied to 0-day exploits? Personally, I don't know if I could answer that.

pessimizer 13y ago

Anything without a well-regulated "app store" will be classified as a hacker tool in the eyes of the law.

aclevernickname 13y ago
So Ubuntu/Arch/Fedora are safe, because of their respective package management GUI's? I'll take a liberal, CATO-Institute-on-2nd-amendment stance on the concept of what is considered "Well-Regulated" in the eyes of the Law [1]. [1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
- pessimizer 13y ago
  as long as direct use of dpkg or make is considered a felony.