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What are the cells for the burger fed on? In tissue culture it's normal to feed cells Foetal Bovine Serum. Is this the case with these cells? If so we haven't f

by fredley 13y ago

What are the cells for the burger fed on? In tissue culture it's normal to feed cells Foetal Bovine Serum. Is this the case with these cells? If so we haven't fully removed the need for living, breathing animals from the equation.

antimatter15 13y ago
During the Q&A session of the press event, I think he did mention that they used Fetal bovine serum, and that it worked better than the alternatives.
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tovmeod 13y ago
maybe this is not the objective, rather having a more efficient way to produce meat, you're taking out of the equation the farm, meaning less space used, maybe healthier meat (without all the antibiotics and less fat) from one cow you can produce 10 tons of meat without all the space needed not only to raise the cows, but to grow their food, the lab can also be closer to consumers having obvious implications on that.
- kentor 13y ago
  fat is good for you. more fat please
- runarberg 13y ago
  Well, if efficiency is the endgoal here, than bean cultivation seems way more logical answere to beef alternatives than fake meat. You basically take the the food you would otherwice feed your cows, stew it together with some saffran and beet juice (the same colorants as for the fake meat) and you have your economy-burger. No intermediate step which takes 10 times the space of a traditional meat-farm, no anti-biotics, fat-free and no need for any living, breathing animal slughtering. Honestly I cant find a single logical reason why this artificial-meat buisness is a good idea except for "just because we can"
  - mparramon 13y ago
    Because that economy-burger you talk about will not taste like meat. Artificial-meat will, sooner or later.
  - jasondemeuse 13y ago
    > Honestly I cant find a single logical reason why this artificial-meat buisness is a good idea You can't find a single reason why people would rather eat a replacement that eventually looks and tastes like a burger, rather than cow-food mixed with saffron and beet juice? If that sounds good to you, more power to you, but to think that people would pay for the mush the same way people currently pay for burgers is ridiculous.
    - runarberg 13y ago
      No, I can't find a single logical reason. Saturating peoples appetite for overmarkeded type of food doesn't seem logical to me. Just because people will pay money for it, doesn't make it a good idea.
      - kbenson 13y ago
        Why do people always confuse logic to mean we ignore all sociological concerns? Just because they are harder to reason about doesn't mean they don't matter. It's not logical to pretend that they don't matter.
        runarberg 13y ago
        Im sorry for the misuse of the word 'logic'. By 'logic' I ment 'makes human sence'. But I was wrong there too. For investigating in means to satisfy our tastebuts, more economly, sound really human to me. I guess, what I'm saying is simply that the time and effort going into artificial meat, and the promise it is going to generate will probably end up in continued overcomsuption. Totally overshadowing the social consernes. I only wish an investigation into how to behaviorally modify our species from doing wastefull and damaging stuff on mass scale, would get as much funding and attention.
Someone 13y ago
The goal is not to completely get rid of the use of cows. Scroll down on http://culturedbeef.net/home/ http://culturedbeef.net/home/, and you will read "Better livestock conditions Cultured Beef can be produced without the slaughter of cattle, and far fewer cows are needed, so they can be reared without the need for intensive farming." http://culturedbeef.net/faqs/ http://culturedbeef.net/faqs/ also states: "Cultured Beef is created by painlessly harvesting muscle cells from a living cow. Scientists then feed and nurture the cells so they multiply to create muscle tissue, which is the main component of the meat we eat. It is biologically exactly the same as the meat tissue that comes from a cow."

by fredley 13y ago

antimatter15 13y ago

During the Q&A session of the press event, I think he did mention that they used Fetal bovine serum, and that it worked better than the alternatives.

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tovmeod 13y ago

maybe this is not the objective, rather having a more efficient way to produce meat, you're taking out of the equation the farm, meaning less space used, maybe healthier meat (without all the antibiotics and less fat) from one cow you can produce 10 tons of meat without all the space needed not only to raise the cows, but to grow their food, the lab can also be closer to consumers having obvious implications on that.

kentor 13y ago
fat is good for you. more fat please
runarberg 13y ago
Well, if efficiency is the endgoal here, than bean cultivation seems way more logical answere to beef alternatives than fake meat. You basically take the the food you would otherwice feed your cows, stew it together with some saffran and beet juice (the same colorants as for the fake meat) and you have your economy-burger. No intermediate step which takes 10 times the space of a traditional meat-farm, no anti-biotics, fat-free and no need for any living, breathing animal slughtering. Honestly I cant find a single logical reason why this artificial-meat buisness is a good idea except for "just because we can"
- mparramon 13y ago
  Because that economy-burger you talk about will not taste like meat. Artificial-meat will, sooner or later.
- jasondemeuse 13y ago
  > Honestly I cant find a single logical reason why this artificial-meat buisness is a good idea You can't find a single reason why people would rather eat a replacement that eventually looks and tastes like a burger, rather than cow-food mixed with saffron and beet juice? If that sounds good to you, more power to you, but to think that people would pay for the mush the same way people currently pay for burgers is ridiculous.
  - runarberg 13y ago
    No, I can't find a single logical reason. Saturating peoples appetite for overmarkeded type of food doesn't seem logical to me. Just because people will pay money for it, doesn't make it a good idea.
    - kbenson 13y ago
      Why do people always confuse logic to mean we ignore all sociological concerns? Just because they are harder to reason about doesn't mean they don't matter. It's not logical to pretend that they don't matter.
      - runarberg 13y ago
        Im sorry for the misuse of the word 'logic'. By 'logic' I ment 'makes human sence'. But I was wrong there too. For investigating in means to satisfy our tastebuts, more economly, sound really human to me. I guess, what I'm saying is simply that the time and effort going into artificial meat, and the promise it is going to generate will probably end up in continued overcomsuption. Totally overshadowing the social consernes. I only wish an investigation into how to behaviorally modify our species from doing wastefull and damaging stuff on mass scale, would get as much funding and attention.

Someone 13y ago

The goal is not to completely get rid of the use of cows. Scroll down on http://culturedbeef.net/home/ http://culturedbeef.net/home/, and you will read "Better livestock conditions Cultured Beef can be produced without the slaughter of cattle, and far fewer cows are needed, so they can be reared without the need for intensive farming." http://culturedbeef.net/faqs/ http://culturedbeef.net/faqs/ also states: "Cultured Beef is created by painlessly harvesting muscle cells from a living cow. Scientists then feed and nurture the cells so they multiply to create muscle tissue, which is the main component of the meat we eat. It is biologically exactly the same as the meat tissue that comes from a cow."