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If you have physical access to the car to the extend that you are able to talk to the CAN bus, you could as well cut the brake fluid lines, corrupt the tires so
by vladoh 13y ago
If you have physical access to the car to the extend that you are able to talk to the CAN bus, you could as well cut the brake fluid lines, corrupt the tires so they explode when they get hot and the pressure rises, put poison in the air conditioner or whatever. Sure, fiddling with the electronics gives you more creative ways to do harm, but the assumption that you have physical access to the can is a very strong one. Furthermore, some cars have multiple buses, with the more critical ones being harder to access.
A lot of people are negative about all the electronics, but there is a reason there are all there. The electronics allow you to have engines that are three times more powerful than those of 15 years ago and in the same time consume only half as much fuel. The electronics allow you to measure and control everything much more precisely.
Also electronics allow you to implement security systems like ABS, ESP and so one which are really helpful (ABS saved me several times!).
Talking about security of the CAN - one should think that adding more security means that more powerful ECUs will be required, which means more weight and more power consumption, which means more fuel consumption. Is it worth it?
One more point for the security - critical ECUs that control steering, brakes, airbags and so on are required to get the corresponding ASIL (Automotive Safety Integrity Level) certificates which require a lot of testing and sometimes redundant sensors (similar to those for airplanes). So it is not that simple for a ECU to send some false messages on the bus.
- kristoffer 13y ago"Talking about security of the CAN - one should think that adding more security means that more powerful ECUs will be required, which means more weight and more power consumption, which means more fuel consumption. Is it worth it?" Seriously? Even if we added high end embedded processors (e.g. 1 GHz ARM) it would hardly be noticeably in the car's total weight. Of course automotive manufacturers will need to think more about security. CAN is a pretty crappy protocol to start with (security wise at least) ...
- vladoh 13y agoI know it sounds absurd, but it really is like this. Typical car ECUs have about 40-50 MHz processors and there are about 70 ECUs in a modern car. Imagine switching them all to 1GHz ARM cores - how much more expensive it will be and how much more space you will need. You will also most probably need bigger PCBs and cooling and there comes the additional weight. Also the CAN protocol may be crappy for development, but allows for more simple hardware design (connectors, wires etc), which again saves weight. The cables in a modern car weigh about 50 kg so imagine doubling that in order to use a better protocol - this would be like always driving with one more passenger. Such things may look small, but they quickly add up...