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yep. This and Mr. Bush claiming that God told him to attack Iraq: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oc

yep. This and Mr. Bush claiming that God told him to attack Iraq: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa I think Bush is when we all started taking the US not really so seriously. Or things like the moment we notice the US population still supports him at large even when he says he has to attack Iraq because God told him so. You're just so immature as people and a nation.

mpyne 13y ago
> Or things like the moment we notice the US population still supports him at large even when he says he has to attack Iraq because God told him so. Uh, dude, Dubya was so reviled even within the U.S. that he wasn't even invited to Republican political events oriented around electing his own successor. And you may have missed it in the news by he had more "justifications" that he claimed for attacking than merely a God-given mission. But it's funny you should mention immaturity, given that few would consider pinning a person's thoughts (even the POTUS) as reasonably representative of 320 million people's thoughts.
- LekkoscPiwa 13y ago
  they vote the way they did, didn't they? Actually, twice!
  - mpyne 13y ago
    The first time they voted for Gore. Perhaps you are too young to remember though. The second time there were rather virulent protests, celebrity protest (including an Eminem music video) right up to one of the narrowest election victories in some time. I remember it vividly because it was my first election I could vote in. :P
    - LekkoscPiwa 13y ago
      My point is that in most if not all EU countries Bush wouldn't even be a serious contender. However, I do feel for you, and others who are opposed to the certain development that happened since 9/11 but have no say in the decision making process. On the other hand maybe the thing is that you are not really trying. It's not like in 1960s with students on the streets. It's like people are 'outraged' and then all this rage causes them to sit down and do nothing. We (I'm an American too) need a serious revolution in our fatherland and not debating the Constitution haters. If you hate and want to destroy the US Constitution there is no place for you in the US. All these guys go there on the streets (when they actually do - OWS - too socialist for me) and then they let the police do whatever. It's not like 1960s. That's exactly why the Government feels so bold to do stuff like PRISM. Because it can't hear or see serious voices of discontent.

mpyne 13y ago

> Or things like the moment we notice the US population still supports him at large even when he says he has to attack Iraq because God told him so. Uh, dude, Dubya was so reviled even within the U.S. that he wasn't even invited to Republican political events oriented around electing his own successor. And you may have missed it in the news by he had more "justifications" that he claimed for attacking than merely a God-given mission. But it's funny you should mention immaturity, given that few would consider pinning a person's thoughts (even the POTUS) as reasonably representative of 320 million people's thoughts.

LekkoscPiwa 13y ago
they vote the way they did, didn't they? Actually, twice!
- mpyne 13y ago
  The first time they voted for Gore. Perhaps you are too young to remember though. The second time there were rather virulent protests, celebrity protest (including an Eminem music video) right up to one of the narrowest election victories in some time. I remember it vividly because it was my first election I could vote in. :P
  - LekkoscPiwa 13y ago
    My point is that in most if not all EU countries Bush wouldn't even be a serious contender. However, I do feel for you, and others who are opposed to the certain development that happened since 9/11 but have no say in the decision making process. On the other hand maybe the thing is that you are not really trying. It's not like in 1960s with students on the streets. It's like people are 'outraged' and then all this rage causes them to sit down and do nothing. We (I'm an American too) need a serious revolution in our fatherland and not debating the Constitution haters. If you hate and want to destroy the US Constitution there is no place for you in the US. All these guys go there on the streets (when they actually do - OWS - too socialist for me) and then they let the police do whatever. It's not like 1960s. That's exactly why the Government feels so bold to do stuff like PRISM. Because it can't hear or see serious voices of discontent.