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German cos think US as bad as China for industrial espionage and data theft

19 points by r0h1n 13y ago

German companies believe the US now poses almost as big a risk as China when it comes to industrial espionage and data theft, a survey has revealed. The startling finding of a survey of 400 companies conducted in mid-July underscores the shift in German public and business opinion caused by revelations about US surveillance activities. Some 26 per cent of German managers, IT and security professionals described the US as a high-risk place for industrial espionage and data theft, according to the survey commissioned by EY, the consultancy. This was second only to the 28 per cent of respondents who view China as a particularly high-risk country for industrial espionage. Russia was ranked third, with 12 per cent saying it posed a significant risk.

junto 13y ago
FT Paywall. Boo.
- ce4 13y ago
  Google for the title and click the linked result to circumvent the paywall once...
  - junto 13y ago
    Genius
  - joseflavio 13y ago
    Impressive, it really works! Why do they allow this? They want to be indexed by google? What is the logic behind, because if you go by their website you have a terrible experience, if you go by google (with googles ads) you have a better one!
    - justincormack 13y ago
      Leaky paywalls are a pretty common design. You can read some articles if you just register too. Does Google have a direct I'm feeling lucky query param so you can link the Google route directly?
ToothlessJake 13y ago
Why is ft.com allowed here? Most users will not have ready access to the article contents therefore will be commenting mostly on the title itself. This sways the discussion towards the shallow end. I must agree with junto. Boo FT paywall. Boo.
- toble 13y ago
  Even if most users had subscriptions, it shouldn't be linked to. The other day I was thinking the same thing about The Sun. It got a high placement on Google's search results, yet had no content to display, I hope search engines drop it from their results as it's currently useless.
  - junto 13y ago
    The Sun has 'no content'?? What about the pictures? :-)
junto 13y ago
I live in Germany. I am quite genuinely not experiencing any mass public aversion to the Snowden revelations. Small coverage on TV news. A few talk show programs. A couple of public protests that attracted less than 1000 people in all cases. Nothing that the NSA should be worried about. Keep up the 'good work' NSA. Seems like nobody cares. Crisis averted. Defcon 5.
- northwest 13y ago
  From what I hear, the mainstream media in Europe generally doesn't really push Greenwald's stories. There is really no valid justification for these circumstances. It leads me to assume/believe that European media is also controlled by those in power.
  - junto 13y ago
    From the British media that is definitely the case. The BBC reporting is a good case in point. Other media in the UK is primarily owned or controlled by Murdoch. In Germany the situation is a little different. Der Spiegel and Süddeutsche Zeitung, have had various coverage. The one one Obama's whistleblower 'witch-hunt' for example is pretty damning, especially from a country that loved Obama 4 years ago and couldn't get enough of him. - Obama is 'merciless': http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/barack-obama-treibjagd-auf-whistleblower-1.1739636 http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/barack-obama-treibjagd-au... Die Welt on the other hand appears to be going the other way. It is supposed to be a 'centrist/liberal', but does not appear to be making a stance against mass-surveillance. - 'Cooperation with NSA is "good and right"': http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/article118723423/Spaeh-Affaere-Regierung-staerkt-BND.html http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/article118723423/Spaeh... SPD Head Steinbrück is maybe one guy that gets it, and wants to: - "ban the use of mobile phones in cabinet meetings": http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/peer-steinbrueck/will-handys-in-kabinett-verbieten-31667022.bild.html http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/peer-steinbrueck/will-hand...
- gurkendoktor 13y ago
  The article is about companies, not the general population. But yeah - the CDU/CSU are easily the most pro-US parties, and projections place them at a comfortable 41%: http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm
r0h1n 13y ago
From the article: "German companies believe the US now poses almost as big a risk as China when it comes to industrial espionage and data theft, a survey has revealed. The startling finding of a survey of 400 companies conducted in mid-July underscores the shift in German public and business opinion caused by revelations about US surveillance activities. Some 26 per cent of German managers, IT and security professionals described the US as a high-risk place for industrial espionage and data theft, according to the survey commissioned by EY, the consultancy. This was second only to the 28 per cent of respondents who view China as a particularly high-risk country for industrial espionage. Russia was ranked third, with 12 per cent saying it posed a significant risk. When they were asked the same question two years ago only 6 per cent of German companies described the US as a high-risk centre for industrial espionage and data theft." Link to the German press release by EY (formerly Ernst & Young) announcing the findings: http://www.ey.com/DE/de/Newsroom/News-releases/20130802-Datenklau---Neue-Herausforderungen-fuer-deutsche-Unternehmen http://www.ey.com/DE/de/Newsroom/News-releases/20130802-Date...
nodata 13y ago
Weird title, and paywall. Flagged.

19 points by r0h1n 13y ago

junto 13y ago

FT Paywall. Boo.

ce4 13y ago
Google for the title and click the linked result to circumvent the paywall once...
- junto 13y ago
  Genius
- joseflavio 13y ago
  Impressive, it really works! Why do they allow this? They want to be indexed by google? What is the logic behind, because if you go by their website you have a terrible experience, if you go by google (with googles ads) you have a better one!
  - justincormack 13y ago
    Leaky paywalls are a pretty common design. You can read some articles if you just register too. Does Google have a direct I'm feeling lucky query param so you can link the Google route directly?

ToothlessJake 13y ago

Why is ft.com allowed here? Most users will not have ready access to the article contents therefore will be commenting mostly on the title itself. This sways the discussion towards the shallow end. I must agree with junto. Boo FT paywall. Boo.

toble 13y ago
Even if most users had subscriptions, it shouldn't be linked to. The other day I was thinking the same thing about The Sun. It got a high placement on Google's search results, yet had no content to display, I hope search engines drop it from their results as it's currently useless.
- junto 13y ago
  The Sun has 'no content'?? What about the pictures? :-)

junto 13y ago

I live in Germany. I am quite genuinely not experiencing any mass public aversion to the Snowden revelations. Small coverage on TV news. A few talk show programs. A couple of public protests that attracted less than 1000 people in all cases. Nothing that the NSA should be worried about. Keep up the 'good work' NSA. Seems like nobody cares. Crisis averted. Defcon 5.

northwest 13y ago
From what I hear, the mainstream media in Europe generally doesn't really push Greenwald's stories. There is really no valid justification for these circumstances. It leads me to assume/believe that European media is also controlled by those in power.
- junto 13y ago
  From the British media that is definitely the case. The BBC reporting is a good case in point. Other media in the UK is primarily owned or controlled by Murdoch. In Germany the situation is a little different. Der Spiegel and Süddeutsche Zeitung, have had various coverage. The one one Obama's whistleblower 'witch-hunt' for example is pretty damning, especially from a country that loved Obama 4 years ago and couldn't get enough of him. - Obama is 'merciless': http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/barack-obama-treibjagd-auf-whistleblower-1.1739636 http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/barack-obama-treibjagd-au... Die Welt on the other hand appears to be going the other way. It is supposed to be a 'centrist/liberal', but does not appear to be making a stance against mass-surveillance. - 'Cooperation with NSA is "good and right"': http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/article118723423/Spaeh-Affaere-Regierung-staerkt-BND.html http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/article118723423/Spaeh... SPD Head Steinbrück is maybe one guy that gets it, and wants to: - "ban the use of mobile phones in cabinet meetings": http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/peer-steinbrueck/will-handys-in-kabinett-verbieten-31667022.bild.html http://www.bild.de/politik/inland/peer-steinbrueck/will-hand...
gurkendoktor 13y ago
The article is about companies, not the general population. But yeah - the CDU/CSU are easily the most pro-US parties, and projections place them at a comfortable 41%: http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm

r0h1n 13y ago

From the article: "German companies believe the US now poses almost as big a risk as China when it comes to industrial espionage and data theft, a survey has revealed. The startling finding of a survey of 400 companies conducted in mid-July underscores the shift in German public and business opinion caused by revelations about US surveillance activities. Some 26 per cent of German managers, IT and security professionals described the US as a high-risk place for industrial espionage and data theft, according to the survey commissioned by EY, the consultancy. This was second only to the 28 per cent of respondents who view China as a particularly high-risk country for industrial espionage. Russia was ranked third, with 12 per cent saying it posed a significant risk. When they were asked the same question two years ago only 6 per cent of German companies described the US as a high-risk centre for industrial espionage and data theft." Link to the German press release by EY (formerly Ernst & Young) announcing the findings: http://www.ey.com/DE/de/Newsroom/News-releases/20130802-Datenklau---Neue-Herausforderungen-fuer-deutsche-Unternehmen http://www.ey.com/DE/de/Newsroom/News-releases/20130802-Date...

nodata 13y ago

Weird title, and paywall. Flagged.