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> * that is laughably, sadistically low, even for an entry level position in Podunk, Nowhere* The salaries are low by US standards, but not "laughably" so IMHO

by doktrin 13y ago

> * that is laughably, sadistically low, even for an entry level position in Podunk, Nowhere* The salaries are low by US standards, but not "laughably" so IMHO. In USD, those salaries currently translate to $53k - $60k. I know developers in the Bay Area who make the same (not taking equity into account), and I'm sure those salaries are reasonable in "podunk nowhere, USA". I guess it's also worth noting that the dollar is currently somewhat strong relative to the pound (in 2009 it was closer to 1:2 GBP:USD, for instance).

d23 13y ago
> In USD, those salaries currently translate to $53k - $60k. I know developers in the Bay Area who make the same Really? I thought bay area salaries were more around 80k+ to take into account cost of living.
- doktrin 13y ago
  > Really? I thought bay area salaries were more around 80k+ to take into account cost of living. Generally yes, but ~$60k salaries are not totally unheard of - particularly in poorly funded startups hiring on equity and/or for junior roles. They are probably outliers.
  - Patrick_Devine 13y ago
    That may have been true 10-15 years ago. For someone with either experience or a degree, most places pay 90k+. A senior engineer (as mentioned in the blog post) would easily make twice that.
    - doktrin 13y ago
      Sure. As mentioned, I know people that make the salaries I quoted (who have both experience and degrees), and that's not something I plan to argue (because it's a fact). In my opinion they could make more if they really wanted to, but that's orthogonal to this discussion.
- jaggederest 13y ago
  More like $100k - $150k+ in my experience, depending on what kind of work you're doing.
justinsteele 13y ago
In the middle of nowhere, web developers make $30-70k in my experience. You need to work in a "city" (even if its small), or work remotely for a company that pays well to do any better.
- runT1ME 13y ago
  A web developer making 30-70k is either underpaid or overpaid.
  - nilkn 13y ago
    The same is true of virtually everybody at all salary levels.
smileysteve 13y ago
The average for the bay area is somewhere around 94 USD... Based on an infographic I read 2 years ago.

by doktrin 13y ago

d23 13y ago

> In USD, those salaries currently translate to $53k - $60k. I know developers in the Bay Area who make the same Really? I thought bay area salaries were more around 80k+ to take into account cost of living.

doktrin 13y ago
> Really? I thought bay area salaries were more around 80k+ to take into account cost of living. Generally yes, but ~$60k salaries are not totally unheard of - particularly in poorly funded startups hiring on equity and/or for junior roles. They are probably outliers.
- Patrick_Devine 13y ago
  That may have been true 10-15 years ago. For someone with either experience or a degree, most places pay 90k+. A senior engineer (as mentioned in the blog post) would easily make twice that.
  - doktrin 13y ago
    Sure. As mentioned, I know people that make the salaries I quoted (who have both experience and degrees), and that's not something I plan to argue (because it's a fact). In my opinion they could make more if they really wanted to, but that's orthogonal to this discussion.
jaggederest 13y ago
More like $100k - $150k+ in my experience, depending on what kind of work you're doing.

justinsteele 13y ago

In the middle of nowhere, web developers make $30-70k in my experience. You need to work in a "city" (even if its small), or work remotely for a company that pays well to do any better.

runT1ME 13y ago
A web developer making 30-70k is either underpaid or overpaid.
- nilkn 13y ago
  The same is true of virtually everybody at all salary levels.

smileysteve 13y ago

The average for the bay area is somewhere around 94 USD... Based on an infographic I read 2 years ago.