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The trouble with this is that no centralized analysis can determine what "qualified" actually means; only an individual employer can determine that. So if they

by wissler 13y ago

The trouble with this is that no centralized analysis can determine what "qualified" actually means; only an individual employer can determine that. So if they say there are no qualified engineers then that's the end of discussion. Having more intelligent people in the US is a good thing.

dj_axl 13y ago
> So if they say there are no qualified engineers then that's the end of discussion. Actually my company (which hires tons of foreign developers) does have applicants rejected. They then hire some lawyers to help reword the application. I'm not sure these are all H1-B, there are other hiring visa designations, but it definitely is the case that the government can reject applications. Frankly the government should reject even more of them, and then also reject some of the resubmitted ones, however the government is easily fooled by clever wording.
npsimons 13y ago
So if they say there are no qualified engineers then that's the end of discussion. You really believe that? You can't imagine that, hey maybe these companies gasp lie so they won't have to pay market wages? That some C?O somewhere cares more about the bottom line than hiring qualified local engineers that they can't threaten with deportation?
- bskap 13y ago
  From experience, it's not "the companies" that are saying there's no qualified people. It's the engineers on the teams trying to hire people that interview those "qualified" people that send in their resume and then can't write FizzBuzz to save their life, have no idea how to even approach a design problem, knows all the buzzwords but can't explain what they mean, and have no idea how the Internet works at even the highest levels.
mattdelhey 13y ago
Not true in the eyes of our government. The whole premise of anti discrimination laws is based on the fact that there is something absolute that can be said about job eligibility. Unless you reject the validity of these laws as well.

by wissler 13y ago

dj_axl 13y ago

> So if they say there are no qualified engineers then that's the end of discussion. Actually my company (which hires tons of foreign developers) does have applicants rejected. They then hire some lawyers to help reword the application. I'm not sure these are all H1-B, there are other hiring visa designations, but it definitely is the case that the government can reject applications. Frankly the government should reject even more of them, and then also reject some of the resubmitted ones, however the government is easily fooled by clever wording.

npsimons 13y ago

So if they say there are no qualified engineers then that's the end of discussion. You really believe that? You can't imagine that, hey maybe these companies gasp lie so they won't have to pay market wages? That some C?O somewhere cares more about the bottom line than hiring qualified local engineers that they can't threaten with deportation?

bskap 13y ago
From experience, it's not "the companies" that are saying there's no qualified people. It's the engineers on the teams trying to hire people that interview those "qualified" people that send in their resume and then can't write FizzBuzz to save their life, have no idea how to even approach a design problem, knows all the buzzwords but can't explain what they mean, and have no idea how the Internet works at even the highest levels.

mattdelhey 13y ago

Not true in the eyes of our government. The whole premise of anti discrimination laws is based on the fact that there is something absolute that can be said about job eligibility. Unless you reject the validity of these laws as well.