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Same here. I've got the feeling Apple is very arrogant. They seem to think all developers just love Apple whatever they do. But my trust in Apple is gone. Fort

by ohwp 13y ago

Same here. I've got the feeling Apple is very arrogant. They seem to think all developers just love Apple whatever they do. But my trust in Apple is gone. Fortunately this year there will be a lot more to choose from: Android, Windows, Firefox OS, Ubuntu, Sailfish. And even some 'open' phones. I'm seeing a lot of companies stepping away from Apple these days. Too expensive when there are good alternatives. And when you are writing company apps market share of an OS isn't an issue.

mojuba 13y ago
It is more often a matter of choice of the next tier in the "supply chain", i.e. my customers' choice, not my own. I still love Apple's hardware, as well as their design decisions in a broad sense. Everything they do almost never disappoints in terms of novelty and coolness. The only fundamental question in this context is, is developer lock-in part of what makes Apple Apple? I doubt so.
- ohwp 13y ago
  I don't think there is any developer lock-in. As you are saying it's the customers choice. When customers have more choice they can choose to go for an OS without Apple-control.
  - mojuba 13y ago
    There is a lock-in. We invest a lot of time in learning an ecosystem with a very specific programming language, quirks, rules, practices, problems - oh, and the AppStore approval process. On top of that, one day we suddenly discover we also depend on the availability of Apple's cert server. Customers/consumers are not locked in in this regard, and generally they don't care whether or to what extent developers are.
  - clarky07 13y ago
    They can, but they aren't really. Why would any consumer anywhere care if the apple dev forums are down for 2 weeks. Nobody knows, cares, or has any reason to know or care. less than 1% of people likely. Readers of HN do not account for all buyers of smartphones as it happens.

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Same here. I've got the feeling Apple is very arrogant. They seem to think all developers just love Apple whatever they do. But my trust in Apple is gone. Fort

by ohwp 13y ago

mojuba 13y ago
It is more often a matter of choice of the next tier in the "supply chain", i.e. my customers' choice, not my own. I still love Apple's hardware, as well as their design decisions in a broad sense. Everything they do almost never disappoints in terms of novelty and coolness. The only fundamental question in this context is, is developer lock-in part of what makes Apple Apple? I doubt so.
- ohwp 13y ago
  I don't think there is any developer lock-in. As you are saying it's the customers choice. When customers have more choice they can choose to go for an OS without Apple-control.
  - mojuba 13y ago
    There is a lock-in. We invest a lot of time in learning an ecosystem with a very specific programming language, quirks, rules, practices, problems - oh, and the AppStore approval process. On top of that, one day we suddenly discover we also depend on the availability of Apple's cert server. Customers/consumers are not locked in in this regard, and generally they don't care whether or to what extent developers are.
  - clarky07 13y ago
    They can, but they aren't really. Why would any consumer anywhere care if the apple dev forums are down for 2 weeks. Nobody knows, cares, or has any reason to know or care. less than 1% of people likely. Readers of HN do not account for all buyers of smartphones as it happens.