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Europeans point of view: European bureaucrats are not any better, think about David Cameron idea of Porngate

pygy_ 13y ago
AFAIK, the European parliament is so far reasonable regarding the Internet and privacy. However, the Commission (the executive branch, and especially the Trade Commisioner, Karel De Gucht) has been pushing hard for ACTA, going as far as lying, several times, to the Parliament. When the Parliament rejected ACTA, De Gucht said he would look for other means to bypass the decision.
- Sprint 13y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
- ghostdiver 13y ago
  Yet, in EU, when you use prepaid cellphone, you can be eavesdropped for no reason, only because it is prepaid cellphone.
  - pygy_ 13y ago
    I didn't know that. It plugs a hole in the targeted surveillance programs, at the expense of all prepaid users. The target demographics for prepaid is mostly kids and teens, poor people, and people concerned about their privacy, split between sensitized geeks, unfaithful lovers and criminals. For the first two demographics cheap monthly plans are now emerging (in France, Free offers two hours of talk and infinite SMS for 2€ per month and unlimited talk, SMS and 3GB of data for 20€ per month). It sucks for the last three. On a slightly related topic, in demonstrations, people caught without a cell phone during an ID check often end up arrested for "administrative reasons".
    - redblacktree 13y ago
      > On a slightly related topic, in demonstrations, people caught without a cell phone during an ID check often end up arrested for "administrative reasons". So the likely reason for this is so that they can get an accounting of who was there, right? Where are you referring to?
      - pygy_ 13y ago
        I guess it's because no cell phone means no mean to track you remotely, which can otherwise be done, even if your phone is turned off. It is definitely taken as suspicious. Source: an alter-globalist activist acquaintance who demonstrates (peacefully) every other day.
  - ahel 13y ago
    Thank you, I didn't know it. Any source for this claim (so I could dig deeper)?
  - chopin 13y ago
    Citation, please?
stefanix 13y ago
Funny, I just realized that I never think of the UK when reading about Europe. In a surveillance context it certainly feels closer to the US. And then I watched this far to often a couple of years ago ... in a desperate wish to find some humanizing qualities ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlT7v476qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlT7v476qY
- pygy_ 13y ago
  > ... I never think of the UK when reading about Europe. Neither do most UK dwellers. Except when it suits them, off course.

pygy_ 13y ago

AFAIK, the European parliament is so far reasonable regarding the Internet and privacy. However, the Commission (the executive branch, and especially the Trade Commisioner, Karel De Gucht) has been pushing hard for ACTA, going as far as lying, several times, to the Parliament. When the Parliament rejected ACTA, De Gucht said he would look for other means to bypass the decision.

Sprint 13y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
ghostdiver 13y ago
Yet, in EU, when you use prepaid cellphone, you can be eavesdropped for no reason, only because it is prepaid cellphone.
- pygy_ 13y ago
  I didn't know that. It plugs a hole in the targeted surveillance programs, at the expense of all prepaid users. The target demographics for prepaid is mostly kids and teens, poor people, and people concerned about their privacy, split between sensitized geeks, unfaithful lovers and criminals. For the first two demographics cheap monthly plans are now emerging (in France, Free offers two hours of talk and infinite SMS for 2€ per month and unlimited talk, SMS and 3GB of data for 20€ per month). It sucks for the last three. On a slightly related topic, in demonstrations, people caught without a cell phone during an ID check often end up arrested for "administrative reasons".
  - redblacktree 13y ago
    > On a slightly related topic, in demonstrations, people caught without a cell phone during an ID check often end up arrested for "administrative reasons". So the likely reason for this is so that they can get an accounting of who was there, right? Where are you referring to?
    - pygy_ 13y ago
      I guess it's because no cell phone means no mean to track you remotely, which can otherwise be done, even if your phone is turned off. It is definitely taken as suspicious. Source: an alter-globalist activist acquaintance who demonstrates (peacefully) every other day.
- ahel 13y ago
  Thank you, I didn't know it. Any source for this claim (so I could dig deeper)?
- chopin 13y ago
  Citation, please?

stefanix 13y ago

Funny, I just realized that I never think of the UK when reading about Europe. In a surveillance context it certainly feels closer to the US. And then I watched this far to often a couple of years ago ... in a desperate wish to find some humanizing qualities ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlT7v476qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdlT7v476qY

pygy_ 13y ago
> ... I never think of the UK when reading about Europe. Neither do most UK dwellers. Except when it suits them, off course.