5 ms·

What happens when that HOA needs to make a new rule? From what you described it sounds like any person on the losing end of an argument is being violated, and a

What happens when that HOA needs to make a new rule? From what you described it sounds like any person on the losing end of an argument is being violated, and an HOA that has to deal with anything but some basic set of agreed upon rules will not satisfy the non-violation requirements.

thelastuser 13y ago
I cannot speak for the parent, but disagreements can be resolved by independent, third-party arbitration (which may have also been agreed upon by the HOA). This is not to be confused with a territorial monopoly on final arbitration, viz. a government court.
- briancaw2 13y ago
  http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43fenS4rJ1rqfhi2o1_250.gif http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43fenS4rJ1rqfhi2o1_250.gi...
wissler 13y ago
HOA's can be formed based on a premise that democratic procedures govern the creation/modification of new rules.
- briancaw2 13y ago
  Wasn't your original idea something that democratic procedures violate people? Is difference that in an HOA you agree to the procedures, instead of being born into them?
  - wissler 13y ago
    This is actually a very deep question. To oversimplify, yes, the difference is that you've consented to the rules. Imagine you and your friends decide to order a pizza and agree to vote on the toppings. That's fine. But it's not fine for a friend to force you to pay for the pizza when you didn't agree to do so.
    - mpyne 13y ago
      Is it OK for you, a neighbor, and your friend to agree on the toppings of the pizza and then for your neighbor and yourself to "vote in" different toppings for every succeeding pizza? Your friend consented to the first pizza, but he didn't consent to any pizza after, except insofar as you can say that his remaining a member of the pizza-owners' association represents actual consent.
      - wissler 13y ago
        I don't see the point of your question. What you consent to is what you consent to. You can consent to just one pizza or you can consent to a succession, it's up to you.

thelastuser 13y ago

I cannot speak for the parent, but disagreements can be resolved by independent, third-party arbitration (which may have also been agreed upon by the HOA). This is not to be confused with a territorial monopoly on final arbitration, viz. a government court.

briancaw2 13y ago
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43fenS4rJ1rqfhi2o1_250.gif http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m43fenS4rJ1rqfhi2o1_250.gi...

wissler 13y ago

HOA's can be formed based on a premise that democratic procedures govern the creation/modification of new rules.

briancaw2 13y ago
Wasn't your original idea something that democratic procedures violate people? Is difference that in an HOA you agree to the procedures, instead of being born into them?
- wissler 13y ago
  This is actually a very deep question. To oversimplify, yes, the difference is that you've consented to the rules. Imagine you and your friends decide to order a pizza and agree to vote on the toppings. That's fine. But it's not fine for a friend to force you to pay for the pizza when you didn't agree to do so.
  - mpyne 13y ago
    Is it OK for you, a neighbor, and your friend to agree on the toppings of the pizza and then for your neighbor and yourself to "vote in" different toppings for every succeeding pizza? Your friend consented to the first pizza, but he didn't consent to any pizza after, except insofar as you can say that his remaining a member of the pizza-owners' association represents actual consent.
    - wissler 13y ago
      I don't see the point of your question. What you consent to is what you consent to. You can consent to just one pizza or you can consent to a succession, it's up to you.