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I was very very clear about what I hoped to accomplish: a repentance from the actor in this case, and to highlight their stupidity to others. And I wish more p

I was very very clear about what I hoped to accomplish: a repentance from the actor in this case, and to highlight their stupidity to others. And I wish more people would stand up and say it to their friends and relatives when those people graduate college and start talking about working for the Military Industrial Complex, "Cyber" anything, or various other companies who build bombs, agents of war, or devices used to subjugate other humans. I hope this person will work hard to redeem what he's wrought. Nothing else can redeem him, his work won't just disappear for his remorse. >Too bad your behavior is not undoable and you'll have to live with it for the rest of your life. Maybe you can do something to recover for it in the future. Hopefully your ethical failure can serve as an example of what not to do. I hope that others will send the message loudly and clearly to those that would create bomb parts or fragments of code necessary for snooping tools or facilitate those who would like to usurp peaceful human behavior.

amirmc 13y ago
No, you were not at all clear about what you wanted to achieve. From my reading, you simply berated someone on the internet for revealing something about themselves. I've never found that to be a productive way of convincing anyone of anything. You now say that the aim was to get repentance, when he's already stated he regrets it. At no point do you give advice about what he could/should do now to 'make up for his sins', apart from 'feel really bad'.
- OrlandoSuave 13y ago
  "At no point do you give advice about what he could/should do now to 'make up for his sins'" What do you want him to do to make up for it? Travel to China and tell the government to stop spying on their people using software he helped program?
  - amirmc 13y ago
    Please re-read the thread as you've completely missed my point. I've not asked the person who 'confessed' to 'atone' for anything (that doesn't mean I agree with what happened). My problem is with the comment that does nothing more than lambast someone without providing anything constructive. Offering some comment on how to approach such a situation next time, or what he could now, or projects he might think about contributing to, or anything else that might be useful to the person who originally posted or others reading the thread. As it stands, it's not much better than an ad-hominem.
- TeMPOraL 13y ago
  The point wasn't to convince anyone of anything. The point was just to state, "I read what you wrote and I agree you fucked up seriously". The Internet is not a confessional and speaking your sins out loud here doesn't automatically absolve you. But that might be an impression one could get if the only responses were in the tone of "thank you for telling us, you're a brave and good man". So we need comments, like mr_spothawk's, that basically say "you're not a bad guy, but you fucked up; here's why and how exactly; let's hope we can all learn from this".

amirmc 13y ago

No, you were not at all clear about what you wanted to achieve. From my reading, you simply berated someone on the internet for revealing something about themselves. I've never found that to be a productive way of convincing anyone of anything. You now say that the aim was to get repentance, when he's already stated he regrets it. At no point do you give advice about what he could/should do now to 'make up for his sins', apart from 'feel really bad'.

OrlandoSuave 13y ago
"At no point do you give advice about what he could/should do now to 'make up for his sins'" What do you want him to do to make up for it? Travel to China and tell the government to stop spying on their people using software he helped program?
- amirmc 13y ago
  Please re-read the thread as you've completely missed my point. I've not asked the person who 'confessed' to 'atone' for anything (that doesn't mean I agree with what happened). My problem is with the comment that does nothing more than lambast someone without providing anything constructive. Offering some comment on how to approach such a situation next time, or what he could now, or projects he might think about contributing to, or anything else that might be useful to the person who originally posted or others reading the thread. As it stands, it's not much better than an ad-hominem.
TeMPOraL 13y ago
The point wasn't to convince anyone of anything. The point was just to state, "I read what you wrote and I agree you fucked up seriously". The Internet is not a confessional and speaking your sins out loud here doesn't automatically absolve you. But that might be an impression one could get if the only responses were in the tone of "thank you for telling us, you're a brave and good man". So we need comments, like mr_spothawk's, that basically say "you're not a bad guy, but you fucked up; here's why and how exactly; let's hope we can all learn from this".