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Apple threw the first punch in this patent war. I don't blame Samsung at all for fighting back. Now Apple has the nerve to make statements like this: “We appla

Apple threw the first punch in this patent war. I don't blame Samsung at all for fighting back. Now Apple has the nerve to make statements like this: “We applaud the administration for standing up for innovation in this landmark case. Samsung was wrong to abuse the patent system in this way” Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

threeseed 13y ago
There is nothing hypocritical about what Apple said. It is absolutely disgraceful for Samsung and Google (Motorola) to use FRAND patents as weapons. It undermines the entire standards process by encouraging companies not to put aside competitive agendas and work together for the benefit of all.
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- markdown 13y ago
  Except that the ITC ruled that Samsung in fact did NOT fail its FRAND obligations
  - josephlord 13y ago
    From what I read they basically said that they didn't care about FRAND commitments.
- belorn 13y ago
  I guess its perfectly graceful to use obvious patents (which got thrown out from the patent office at reexamination), and minimalistic design patents (which should be a contradiction in terms). Still, since I see it as disgraceful to use any state granted monopoly in efforts to hurt competitors and gain market shares, both Samsung and Apple lacks grace. Arguing who is worse, is like two mass murders arguing over who is more moral and ethical.
- hhw 13y ago
  No, it's disgraceful that Apple refuses to abide by FRAND terms i.e. cross-licensing, yet at the same time demands the same or better licensing costs as companies who do abide those terms, and then just uses the patented technology anyway without paying. Nokia was forced to litigate against them for this reason, and rightfully won.
sbuk 13y ago
No, they didn't. Nokia did.
- lmg643 13y ago
  I think we can score this as a big +1 for time tested techniques like political donations as a way to get what you want.

threeseed 13y ago

There is nothing hypocritical about what Apple said. It is absolutely disgraceful for Samsung and Google (Motorola) to use FRAND patents as weapons. It undermines the entire standards process by encouraging companies not to put aside competitive agendas and work together for the benefit of all.

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markdown 13y ago
Except that the ITC ruled that Samsung in fact did NOT fail its FRAND obligations
- josephlord 13y ago
  From what I read they basically said that they didn't care about FRAND commitments.
belorn 13y ago
I guess its perfectly graceful to use obvious patents (which got thrown out from the patent office at reexamination), and minimalistic design patents (which should be a contradiction in terms). Still, since I see it as disgraceful to use any state granted monopoly in efforts to hurt competitors and gain market shares, both Samsung and Apple lacks grace. Arguing who is worse, is like two mass murders arguing over who is more moral and ethical.
hhw 13y ago
No, it's disgraceful that Apple refuses to abide by FRAND terms i.e. cross-licensing, yet at the same time demands the same or better licensing costs as companies who do abide those terms, and then just uses the patented technology anyway without paying. Nokia was forced to litigate against them for this reason, and rightfully won.

sbuk 13y ago

No, they didn't. Nokia did.

lmg643 13y ago
I think we can score this as a big +1 for time tested techniques like political donations as a way to get what you want.