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My guess is that you don't live in SF. ONE-bedroom apartments are renting for $2500 and up. (Multiply that by 12.) Very average places, not luxury apartments. A

My guess is that you don't live in SF. ONE-bedroom apartments are renting for $2500 and up. (Multiply that by 12.) Very average places, not luxury apartments. And that rent may not include a $200-300 parking spot. My definition of "middle-class" includes being able to buy a house and have two kids. You'd have a hard time doing that in SF on 58K, even given your assumptions about a spouse and summer cash. http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-San-Francisco-home-value/r_20330/ http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-San-Francisco-home-value... And in the end, society loses.

harryh 13y ago
My definition of middle class is those people making around the median (or middle) wage. Yours is interesting too though!
prostoalex 13y ago
Most middle-class people who work in San Francisco don't live in San Francisco.
rayiner 13y ago
> My definition of "middle-class" includes being able to buy a house and have two kids. Any definition of "middle class" that excludes median-income households is non-sensible. Living in San Francisco is a luxury. Middle class people do not buy a house and have two kids in San Francisco. They commute from Oakland or some place with cheaper housing.
wisty 13y ago
So it sucks to be middle class in SF.
tptacek 13y ago
This reminds me of those articles right after the 2008 crash, where some NY-Fi worker accustomed to 500k bonuses would explain how they were suffering --- at 300k/yr --- every bit as much as an underemployed Youngstown former- auto worker, if you just took into account how expensive private pre-school, nannies, housekeepers, and a decent Manhattan apartment are. Those NY-Fi people also saw themselves as solidly middle class.
clarky07 13y ago
You're definition of middle class isn't what middle class actually is. It actually is some range around the median income. I'm a software developer, and I have neither the ability or desire to spend 2500 a month on a one bedroom apartment. You are pointing out issues with San Francisco. They have nothing to do with teachers.

harryh 13y ago

My definition of middle class is those people making around the median (or middle) wage. Yours is interesting too though!

prostoalex 13y ago

Most middle-class people who work in San Francisco don't live in San Francisco.

rayiner 13y ago

> My definition of "middle-class" includes being able to buy a house and have two kids. Any definition of "middle class" that excludes median-income households is non-sensible. Living in San Francisco is a luxury. Middle class people do not buy a house and have two kids in San Francisco. They commute from Oakland or some place with cheaper housing.

wisty 13y ago

So it sucks to be middle class in SF.

tptacek 13y ago

This reminds me of those articles right after the 2008 crash, where some NY-Fi worker accustomed to 500k bonuses would explain how they were suffering --- at 300k/yr --- every bit as much as an underemployed Youngstown former- auto worker, if you just took into account how expensive private pre-school, nannies, housekeepers, and a decent Manhattan apartment are. Those NY-Fi people also saw themselves as solidly middle class.

clarky07 13y ago

You're definition of middle class isn't what middle class actually is. It actually is some range around the median income. I'm a software developer, and I have neither the ability or desire to spend 2500 a month on a one bedroom apartment. You are pointing out issues with San Francisco. They have nothing to do with teachers.