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300,000 hits per second make Indian election website crash

18 points by vaksel 18y ago

jdminhbg 18y ago
If anyone else has the same comprehension problem I found in the article, a 'lakh' is 100,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh
- russell 18y ago
  The article is utter nonsense. They took a peak number, 100,000, multiplied it by 86,400 seconds in a day and came up with 8.64 trillion; should be 8.64 billion. Possibly Indians name their number groupings differently; the British do.
  - sidmitra 18y ago
    we number the same as the british. The colonial rule had something to do with it.
  - ashleyw 18y ago
    No we don't, 1,000,000 is how we group. India, however, does group by two digits, with the exception of the first hundred: 10,00,000
josefresco 18y ago
Hits is a meaningless number (if you're measuring visitors), I don't think I need to explain why to this crowd. Maybe the author/source got confused?
- jdbeast00 18y ago
  hits is more important than visitors when determining ability to handle load. when I see "concurrent users" in a load test it makes me want to puke. a user can click once a second or once every 10 minutes. each page load can load 1 resource or 100. hits is what matters.
diego 18y ago
"Shukla said even heavy-traffic websites like Google did not get as many hits. He said NIC had budgeted for 80.64 billion hits in eight hours on the basis of 2,800 hits per second but with 3 lakh hits per second, it received 8.64 trillion hits." This makes no sense. 8 * 3,600 * 2,800 ~= 80 million. 3 * 100,000 * 86,400 ~= 26 billion.
- deleted 18y ago
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- randomtask 18y ago
  Substitute 80.64 billion for 80.64 million and 8.64 trillion for 8.64 billion and it makes sense
streety 18y ago
These numbers just don't make sense. Rounding the population of India to 1 billion the implication is that each person made over 8000 requests. Which works out to 1 request every 10 seconds. What I think they've done is taken the peak value and extrapolated out for the entire day but even that doesn't reach 8.64 trillion.
- mtpark 18y ago
  It's also possible they were spammed.
- sidmitra 18y ago
  news channel crawlers, generating real time tickers in the news rooms??
FraaJad 18y ago
what they needed was a static page generated offline and pushed online every few minutes and a cdn like amazon aws. Hah! good luck telling all this to the NIC (national informatics center) webmasters who are running this off ASP. I'm getting this completely unusable page http://eci.nic.in/results/ http://eci.nic.in/results/ Almost all the indian govt websites, both at the central level and the state level are beholden to 90's web design, programming and microsoft technologies. It's almost a testament to the general incompetence of microsoft web developers who still think that programming against IE is good enough.
- mistermann 18y ago
  |It's almost a testament to the general incompetence of microsoft web developers who still think that programming against IE is good enough. lol...much of a zealot?
- andreyf 18y ago
  Wow, a MARQUEE tag! Stay classy, NIC ;)
  - prakash 18y ago
    wait till you see some of their datacenters ;-)
  - FraaJad 18y ago
    Behold http://irctc.co.in/ http://irctc.co.in/ - the ticket booking website of the largest train network in the world -- Indian railways. A mishmash of images for text, deeply nested tables, mandatory login even to query available trains... The earlier avatar was even more horrible, and that's the only good thing I have to say about IRCTC website. Even with all this, I'm thankful to have online booking for the trains. The other alternative was to spend 2 hours in reservation counter or pay 40-50 bucks to the local travel agent to do the booking for you.
    - niyazpk 17y ago
      Try http://cleartrip.com http://cleartrip.com
plinkplonk 18y ago
I can vouch for the fact that the Election Commission's web site crashed early in the morning of counting day and stayed that way till the next day. Even now there is no detailed data available on the voting - the number of registered voters per constituency, the number of votes each party got, etc (there is only the winners vote count, 3 days after the election!). With the large number of candidates in each constituency, the candidate/partywise listing is critical for any detailed analysis. From what I've seen of government websites( I do a lot of work for the Indian Defence Dept) most of them run on single Win XP "servers". The EC server was a (set of) Windows machine (s)(I got an ASPX error saying (effectively) "IIS crashed" :-P). The local subcontractors that write programs for the government have atrocious development skills and are usually people who can't get jobs in the Indian IT industry (the standards are low there too, but that is another story) The one department that gets its backend right is the Indian Railways (the front end design is completely unusable, as with other govt departments). Oh yeah the government spokesman is clueless, as someone else pointed out already.
- boundlessdreamz 18y ago
  That is because the railsways make tons of money with that. It is the largest ecommerce site in India by value and possibly volume. Plus, the entire reservation system was online for a long time. So they definitely have some experience is running massive systems
jyothi 18y ago
Complete baseless conclusion in the article and the HN submitter has manipulated title to create false interest. - Indian numbering system: it is not a problem with short range or long range because even if you consider the smallest number 8.64 trillion is huge. - Given the active internet penetration in India (note most Indians don't/still cannot access internet from home) 3L hits per second on one of the internet sites is way high a number. - That leaves us with bots of all the election oriented websites that would have popped up and the election commissions' website failed in configuring for how frequently can bots hit, better couldn't they have exposed feeds or API's for this. Beyond all this is the India journalism which is constantly looking for 'breaking news' or <create> 'controversial news' or anything that can raise eyebrows. So the editor here must have made the mistake of reverse mapping 80.4 million to 2800 without using "avg" in hits/sec and the mistake with extrapolating 3L to 80.4 trillion. Note that the actual headline on the article is appropriate. Server capacity is spoken in number of concurrent hits it can handle at its peak not over a window. Possible that the EC spokes person too did not understand this.
prakash 18y ago
NIC had budgeted for 80.64 billion hits in eight hours on the basis of 2,800 hits per second That tells you the story...sigh!
ComputerGuru 18y ago
I've flagged this article as inaccurate.. Even with the numbering scheme differences, to take your peak traffic and pretend that's what you got steadily all day long is nonsense.
rythie 18y ago
I can believe they got a lot of hits and site crashed. I just really don't believe they got 300,000 hits in any single second. Also how would they have even known? since the site would have crashed a long time before that number if they weren't prepared for it.
radu_floricica 18y ago
Ok, fun making fun, but if you had to solve the same problem (official site with unknown but probably large traffic), how would you do it? Other then google "amazon ec2" or "amazon hosting" and see where it goes.
- furyg3 17y ago
  1. Generate some static pages and cache the shit out of them. 2. Regularly update the important info and push that out at specified intervals 3. When your number of hits returns to earth switch back to dynamic content...

18 points by vaksel 18y ago

If anyone else has the same comprehension problem I found in the article, a 'lakh' is 100,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh

russell 18y ago
The article is utter nonsense. They took a peak number, 100,000, multiplied it by 86,400 seconds in a day and came up with 8.64 trillion; should be 8.64 billion. Possibly Indians name their number groupings differently; the British do.
- sidmitra 18y ago
  we number the same as the british. The colonial rule had something to do with it.
- ashleyw 18y ago
  No we don't, 1,000,000 is how we group. India, however, does group by two digits, with the exception of the first hundred: 10,00,000

josefresco 18y ago

Hits is a meaningless number (if you're measuring visitors), I don't think I need to explain why to this crowd. Maybe the author/source got confused?

jdbeast00 18y ago
hits is more important than visitors when determining ability to handle load. when I see "concurrent users" in a load test it makes me want to puke. a user can click once a second or once every 10 minutes. each page load can load 1 resource or 100. hits is what matters.

diego 18y ago

"Shukla said even heavy-traffic websites like Google did not get as many hits. He said NIC had budgeted for 80.64 billion hits in eight hours on the basis of 2,800 hits per second but with 3 lakh hits per second, it received 8.64 trillion hits." This makes no sense. 8 * 3,600 * 2,800 ~= 80 million. 3 * 100,000 * 86,400 ~= 26 billion.

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randomtask 18y ago
Substitute 80.64 billion for 80.64 million and 8.64 trillion for 8.64 billion and it makes sense

streety 18y ago

These numbers just don't make sense. Rounding the population of India to 1 billion the implication is that each person made over 8000 requests. Which works out to 1 request every 10 seconds. What I think they've done is taken the peak value and extrapolated out for the entire day but even that doesn't reach 8.64 trillion.

mtpark 18y ago
It's also possible they were spammed.
sidmitra 18y ago
news channel crawlers, generating real time tickers in the news rooms??

FraaJad 18y ago

what they needed was a static page generated offline and pushed online every few minutes and a cdn like amazon aws. Hah! good luck telling all this to the NIC (national informatics center) webmasters who are running this off ASP. I'm getting this completely unusable page http://eci.nic.in/results/ http://eci.nic.in/results/ Almost all the indian govt websites, both at the central level and the state level are beholden to 90's web design, programming and microsoft technologies. It's almost a testament to the general incompetence of microsoft web developers who still think that programming against IE is good enough.

mistermann 18y ago
|It's almost a testament to the general incompetence of microsoft web developers who still think that programming against IE is good enough. lol...much of a zealot?
andreyf 18y ago
Wow, a MARQUEE tag! Stay classy, NIC ;)
- prakash 18y ago
  wait till you see some of their datacenters ;-)
- FraaJad 18y ago
  Behold http://irctc.co.in/ http://irctc.co.in/ - the ticket booking website of the largest train network in the world -- Indian railways. A mishmash of images for text, deeply nested tables, mandatory login even to query available trains... The earlier avatar was even more horrible, and that's the only good thing I have to say about IRCTC website. Even with all this, I'm thankful to have online booking for the trains. The other alternative was to spend 2 hours in reservation counter or pay 40-50 bucks to the local travel agent to do the booking for you.
  - niyazpk 17y ago
    Try http://cleartrip.com http://cleartrip.com

plinkplonk 18y ago

I can vouch for the fact that the Election Commission's web site crashed early in the morning of counting day and stayed that way till the next day. Even now there is no detailed data available on the voting - the number of registered voters per constituency, the number of votes each party got, etc (there is only the winners vote count, 3 days after the election!). With the large number of candidates in each constituency, the candidate/partywise listing is critical for any detailed analysis. From what I've seen of government websites( I do a lot of work for the Indian Defence Dept) most of them run on single Win XP "servers". The EC server was a (set of) Windows machine (s)(I got an ASPX error saying (effectively) "IIS crashed" :-P). The local subcontractors that write programs for the government have atrocious development skills and are usually people who can't get jobs in the Indian IT industry (the standards are low there too, but that is another story) The one department that gets its backend right is the Indian Railways (the front end design is completely unusable, as with other govt departments). Oh yeah the government spokesman is clueless, as someone else pointed out already.

boundlessdreamz 18y ago
That is because the railsways make tons of money with that. It is the largest ecommerce site in India by value and possibly volume. Plus, the entire reservation system was online for a long time. So they definitely have some experience is running massive systems

jyothi 18y ago

Complete baseless conclusion in the article and the HN submitter has manipulated title to create false interest. - Indian numbering system: it is not a problem with short range or long range because even if you consider the smallest number 8.64 trillion is huge. - Given the active internet penetration in India (note most Indians don't/still cannot access internet from home) 3L hits per second on one of the internet sites is way high a number. - That leaves us with bots of all the election oriented websites that would have popped up and the election commissions' website failed in configuring for how frequently can bots hit, better couldn't they have exposed feeds or API's for this. Beyond all this is the India journalism which is constantly looking for 'breaking news' or <create> 'controversial news' or anything that can raise eyebrows. So the editor here must have made the mistake of reverse mapping 80.4 million to 2800 without using "avg" in hits/sec and the mistake with extrapolating 3L to 80.4 trillion. Note that the actual headline on the article is appropriate. Server capacity is spoken in number of concurrent hits it can handle at its peak not over a window. Possible that the EC spokes person too did not understand this.

prakash 18y ago

NIC had budgeted for 80.64 billion hits in eight hours on the basis of 2,800 hits per second That tells you the story...sigh!

ComputerGuru 18y ago

I've flagged this article as inaccurate.. Even with the numbering scheme differences, to take your peak traffic and pretend that's what you got steadily all day long is nonsense.

rythie 18y ago

I can believe they got a lot of hits and site crashed. I just really don't believe they got 300,000 hits in any single second. Also how would they have even known? since the site would have crashed a long time before that number if they weren't prepared for it.

radu_floricica 18y ago

Ok, fun making fun, but if you had to solve the same problem (official site with unknown but probably large traffic), how would you do it? Other then google "amazon ec2" or "amazon hosting" and see where it goes.

furyg3 17y ago
1. Generate some static pages and cache the shit out of them. 2. Regularly update the important info and push that out at specified intervals 3. When your number of hits returns to earth switch back to dynamic content...