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This is the real, full post that edge-runner just links to: http://valleywag.gawker.com/kickstarter-project-canceled-after-dude-spends-all-the-912176282 http://

This is the real, full post that edge-runner just links to: http://valleywag.gawker.com/kickstarter-project-canceled-after-dude-spends-all-the-912176282 http://valleywag.gawker.com/kickstarter-project-canceled-aft... Also, the original link/site is 503 now, so try my link directly instead.

wikiburner 13y ago
The saying "consider the source" comes to mind. Valleywag has to be the most disreputable "news outlet" in tech, which is truly saying something. PG banned it for a reason.
- pallandt 13y ago
  It's true...but in this case it seems the story indeed originated there and appears to have some credibility. I figured people might at least want to know what project it referenced and a minimum of a backstory.
  - wikiburner 13y ago
    Fair enough.
- zmitri 13y ago
  I understand why they are banned -- a lot of their stories are sourced from hear say and aren't written with professional courtesy -- that being said, they actually do publish a lot of interesting articles that others just aren't willing publish because of their ties to the valley and partner relationships. That guy Sam Biddle digs really hard (sometimes into the dirt) and sources a lot of stuff others don't. When you drill down to it, the fact that PandoDaily's investors are also investors in a lot of the companies they report is a pretty big issue -- perhaps one that makes them disreputable? What about the fact that sometimes articles on TechCrunch are essentially large snippets of what a founder has just wrote to the writer in an email? There's a lot of bias in tech news, it just depends who's side you're looking at it from.
  - wikiburner 13y ago
    I understand what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. I can't really speak to PandoDaily's ethics specifically, but between the dozens of media outlets who cover the sector who are brutally duking it out for pageviews, the idea that they are all pulling punches that would earn them hundreds of thousands of readers smacks of a conspiracy theory. The "Truth to Power" argument I'm sure they would make really looks like the refuge of a scoundrel when you look at the majority of their output - it's selling sex, sleaze, snark, and cynicism. All of these are just from the last week or so, and I think it would be tough to defend most of them: http://valleywag.gawker.com/google-boss-enjoys-15-mil-manhattan-sex-penthouse-909299764 http://valleywag.gawker.com/google-boss-enjoys-15-mil-manhat... http://valleywag.gawker.com/sean-parkers-wedding-tackier-than-we-ever-dreamt-991606651 http://valleywag.gawker.com/sean-parkers-wedding-tackier-tha... http://valleywag.gawker.com/silicon-valley-gets-4th-on-demand-laundry-startup-963298251 http://valleywag.gawker.com/silicon-valley-gets-4th-on-deman... http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-startup-crowd-is-becoming-an-actual-cult-926164987 http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-startup-crowd-is-becoming-an... http://valleywag.gawker.com/path-app-creator-calls-spanish-train-crash-a-message-949888571 http://valleywag.gawker.com/path-app-creator-calls-spanish-t... http://valleywag.gawker.com/you-can-still-view-eric-schmdits-deleted-instagram-pro-923748082 http://valleywag.gawker.com/you-can-still-view-eric-schmdits... http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-many-women-of-eric-schmidts-instagram-913796517 http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-many-women-of-eric-schmidts-...
    - zmitri 13y ago
      I wasn't disagreeing with you, they do try to sell sex and publish silly articles often, but I do think some of those are interesting and telling of an industry that no one else really hits on. The article about Prim for example I think makes a good point. Also note that TechCrunch gave them a 1000 word review -- that's quite telling to me as it sounds as though YC might have an arrangement with TechCrunch. The personal profiles, while tacky as hell, do also show you that folks who are all for disruption and who some look up to, are also just regular people. I also noticed this on the Path article -- http://bioischanged.com/user/davemorin http://bioischanged.com/user/davemorin which is actually quite interesting to me. Again, I totally get the ban, and I agree they publish filth, but I have to say, they do cut through a lot of other valley red tape that others don't.

wikiburner 13y ago

The saying "consider the source" comes to mind. Valleywag has to be the most disreputable "news outlet" in tech, which is truly saying something. PG banned it for a reason.

pallandt 13y ago
It's true...but in this case it seems the story indeed originated there and appears to have some credibility. I figured people might at least want to know what project it referenced and a minimum of a backstory.
- wikiburner 13y ago
  Fair enough.
zmitri 13y ago
I understand why they are banned -- a lot of their stories are sourced from hear say and aren't written with professional courtesy -- that being said, they actually do publish a lot of interesting articles that others just aren't willing publish because of their ties to the valley and partner relationships. That guy Sam Biddle digs really hard (sometimes into the dirt) and sources a lot of stuff others don't. When you drill down to it, the fact that PandoDaily's investors are also investors in a lot of the companies they report is a pretty big issue -- perhaps one that makes them disreputable? What about the fact that sometimes articles on TechCrunch are essentially large snippets of what a founder has just wrote to the writer in an email? There's a lot of bias in tech news, it just depends who's side you're looking at it from.
- wikiburner 13y ago
  I understand what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. I can't really speak to PandoDaily's ethics specifically, but between the dozens of media outlets who cover the sector who are brutally duking it out for pageviews, the idea that they are all pulling punches that would earn them hundreds of thousands of readers smacks of a conspiracy theory. The "Truth to Power" argument I'm sure they would make really looks like the refuge of a scoundrel when you look at the majority of their output - it's selling sex, sleaze, snark, and cynicism. All of these are just from the last week or so, and I think it would be tough to defend most of them: http://valleywag.gawker.com/google-boss-enjoys-15-mil-manhattan-sex-penthouse-909299764 http://valleywag.gawker.com/google-boss-enjoys-15-mil-manhat... http://valleywag.gawker.com/sean-parkers-wedding-tackier-than-we-ever-dreamt-991606651 http://valleywag.gawker.com/sean-parkers-wedding-tackier-tha... http://valleywag.gawker.com/silicon-valley-gets-4th-on-demand-laundry-startup-963298251 http://valleywag.gawker.com/silicon-valley-gets-4th-on-deman... http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-startup-crowd-is-becoming-an-actual-cult-926164987 http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-startup-crowd-is-becoming-an... http://valleywag.gawker.com/path-app-creator-calls-spanish-train-crash-a-message-949888571 http://valleywag.gawker.com/path-app-creator-calls-spanish-t... http://valleywag.gawker.com/you-can-still-view-eric-schmdits-deleted-instagram-pro-923748082 http://valleywag.gawker.com/you-can-still-view-eric-schmdits... http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-many-women-of-eric-schmidts-instagram-913796517 http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-many-women-of-eric-schmidts-...
  - zmitri 13y ago
    I wasn't disagreeing with you, they do try to sell sex and publish silly articles often, but I do think some of those are interesting and telling of an industry that no one else really hits on. The article about Prim for example I think makes a good point. Also note that TechCrunch gave them a 1000 word review -- that's quite telling to me as it sounds as though YC might have an arrangement with TechCrunch. The personal profiles, while tacky as hell, do also show you that folks who are all for disruption and who some look up to, are also just regular people. I also noticed this on the Path article -- http://bioischanged.com/user/davemorin http://bioischanged.com/user/davemorin which is actually quite interesting to me. Again, I totally get the ban, and I agree they publish filth, but I have to say, they do cut through a lot of other valley red tape that others don't.