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If I read it correctly Germany canceled the contract from 1968 that allows US and UK intelligence to ask German intelligence about data collected with by the G1

by kephra 13y ago

If I read it correctly Germany canceled the contract from 1968 that allows US and UK intelligence to ask German intelligence about data collected with by the G10 law. But the contract from 3. August 1959, that allows the US, US and France to collect as much data as they want, is still valid, and likely would only end with a peace treaty and end of German occupation.

dragonwriter 13y ago
The occupation ended with the General Treaty of 1955 (which still included some restrictions), and the regime of restrictions under the General Treaty ended with the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany and German reunification in 1991.
- kephra 13y ago
  If you read 2+4 contract closely, then you realize that Germany is still a divided country, e.g. when it comes to US atomic missiles, and that 2+4 is not a peace treaty, nor does it end German occupation. It was very difficult to find a news that tells what contract was canceled today. The basically canceled, if I'm right: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_zur_Beschr%C3%A4nkung_des_Brief-,_Post-_und_Fernmeldegeheimnisses#.C3.9Cbermittlung_von_BND-Erkenntnissen_an_andere_Staaten http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_zur_Beschr%C3%A4nkung_de... So this cancel wont PRISM and the like, US gathering of intelligence is still legal in Germany.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > If you read 2+4 contract closely, then you realize that Germany is still a divided country, e.g. when it comes to US atomic missiles, and that 2+4 is not a peace treaty, nor does it end German occupation. Treaties, by their nature, limit the parties in ways which they would not, as soveriegn states, be limited in the absence of the treaty. The fact that there are limits on what Germany can do (and what other parties can do in Germany) under the Final Settlement treaty does not make it any less a "peace treaty" than it would otherwise be. And it emphatically did end the occupation of (East) Germany (the occupation of West Germany was ended by General Treaty.)

by kephra 13y ago

dragonwriter 13y ago

The occupation ended with the General Treaty of 1955 (which still included some restrictions), and the regime of restrictions under the General Treaty ended with the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany and German reunification in 1991.

kephra 13y ago
If you read 2+4 contract closely, then you realize that Germany is still a divided country, e.g. when it comes to US atomic missiles, and that 2+4 is not a peace treaty, nor does it end German occupation. It was very difficult to find a news that tells what contract was canceled today. The basically canceled, if I'm right: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_zur_Beschr%C3%A4nkung_des_Brief-,_Post-_und_Fernmeldegeheimnisses#.C3.9Cbermittlung_von_BND-Erkenntnissen_an_andere_Staaten http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_zur_Beschr%C3%A4nkung_de... So this cancel wont PRISM and the like, US gathering of intelligence is still legal in Germany.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > If you read 2+4 contract closely, then you realize that Germany is still a divided country, e.g. when it comes to US atomic missiles, and that 2+4 is not a peace treaty, nor does it end German occupation. Treaties, by their nature, limit the parties in ways which they would not, as soveriegn states, be limited in the absence of the treaty. The fact that there are limits on what Germany can do (and what other parties can do in Germany) under the Final Settlement treaty does not make it any less a "peace treaty" than it would otherwise be. And it emphatically did end the occupation of (East) Germany (the occupation of West Germany was ended by General Treaty.)