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There is another thing to consider: if he's putting so little time at work actually doing work, odds are his employers will not be so keen on continuing to pay

There is another thing to consider: if he's putting so little time at work actually doing work, odds are his employers will not be so keen on continuing to pay him that much money. "Just being who he is" is not an excuse they will accept, nor, really, should they. That's the ruthlessly-pragmatic reason to not "accept this side of who he is": nobody else is going to, especially not the people who pay him.

danenania 13y ago
It depends. A gifted and creative programmer may be able to accomplish in 3 hours what takes an average programmer 10, or by coming up with a creative approach to a problem, may be able to accomplish in 3 hours what an average programmer simply cannot do at all. So while a manager may dislike that they perceive someone to be slacking off, it doesn't necessarily mean the person isn't providing a lot of value to the company. Value produced and hours worked are fairly loosely correlated for knowledge workers. If you were running a startup, would you rather have 12 focused hours per day from a mediocre programmer or 2 from Linus Torvalds?
- procastatron 13y ago
  But at the same time, it seems unless there's a physiological difference in people like me, we should be able to condition ourselves into working more. What I'm doing with my extra time is not productive by any measure and although it makes me really good at producing random facts at dinner parties....I can't see much else gained by the time I waste.
  - skrebbel 13y ago
    >we should be able to condition ourselves into workin more. Very disciplined people might be able to. You can't discipline yourself into being more disciplined. Accept that first.
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    - Millennium 13y ago
      Except that it is, in fact, possible to instill discipline in a person. Armies the world over do it by the hundreds.
  - yungchin 13y ago
    > unless there's a physiological difference in people like me I think there is: different people have differently tuned reward-centres in the brain. The book "the procrastination equation" by Piers Steel tries to capture those differences in equation form. Although it's probably faux-math, the key idea seems good to me: procrastinators are more sensitive to the time-until-reward dimension of a given rational choice. And of course, being physiologically different is not an excuse to procrastinate away. Once we understand the nature of the beast, we can game our brain (as the book describes), and (I hope) we can then maybe benefit from brain plasticity to get better at this stuff over time.

danenania 13y ago

It depends. A gifted and creative programmer may be able to accomplish in 3 hours what takes an average programmer 10, or by coming up with a creative approach to a problem, may be able to accomplish in 3 hours what an average programmer simply cannot do at all. So while a manager may dislike that they perceive someone to be slacking off, it doesn't necessarily mean the person isn't providing a lot of value to the company. Value produced and hours worked are fairly loosely correlated for knowledge workers. If you were running a startup, would you rather have 12 focused hours per day from a mediocre programmer or 2 from Linus Torvalds?

procastatron 13y ago
But at the same time, it seems unless there's a physiological difference in people like me, we should be able to condition ourselves into working more. What I'm doing with my extra time is not productive by any measure and although it makes me really good at producing random facts at dinner parties....I can't see much else gained by the time I waste.
- skrebbel 13y ago
  >we should be able to condition ourselves into workin more. Very disciplined people might be able to. You can't discipline yourself into being more disciplined. Accept that first.
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  - Millennium 13y ago
    Except that it is, in fact, possible to instill discipline in a person. Armies the world over do it by the hundreds.
- yungchin 13y ago
  > unless there's a physiological difference in people like me I think there is: different people have differently tuned reward-centres in the brain. The book "the procrastination equation" by Piers Steel tries to capture those differences in equation form. Although it's probably faux-math, the key idea seems good to me: procrastinators are more sensitive to the time-until-reward dimension of a given rational choice. And of course, being physiologically different is not an excuse to procrastinate away. Once we understand the nature of the beast, we can game our brain (as the book describes), and (I hope) we can then maybe benefit from brain plasticity to get better at this stuff over time.