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What scares me further is that The Guardian seem to be the only publication that are reporting on this. I'm a frequent BBC News reader and generally trust in th

by ceeK 13y ago

What scares me further is that The Guardian seem to be the only publication that are reporting on this. I'm a frequent BBC News reader and generally trust in there neutrality. I would not have heard about any of the recent revelations if not for The Guardian. I didn't even know about Tempora until I saw it on a HN comment and looked it up on Wikipedia. Apparently there has been a "D-Notice" to prevent reporting on the matter [1]. [1]http://order-order.com/2013/06/08/d-notice-june-7-2013/ http://order-order.com/2013/06/08/d-notice-june-7-2013/

harrytuttle 13y ago
The BBC are terrible. Whilst they don't usually outright lie, they cherry pick stories that don't piss off the ruling elite until everyone else has thoroughly jumped on them. Apart from the guardian, every other news source in the UK is arse paper.
- ceeK 13y ago
  Suffice to say I think my source of news has changed into The Guardian's hands. Funny enough that the news they report and others don't is the only news I really care about.
osbertlancaster 13y ago
Me too. Usually the bbc/guardian/telegraph all have the same stories, just with a different slant. BUT for Snowden leaks there is a black hole, with only the guardian covering it. (Though everyone covers personal gossip about Snowden, of course). Scary.
tarkin2 13y ago
I often wonder why it's mostly always The Guardian. It's surely not the only left-wing newspaper out there. I wonder if having the Scott Trust[1] as its backer gives it has more freedom in these matters compared to other papers. [1] http://www.gmgplc.co.uk/the-scott-trust/ http://www.gmgplc.co.uk/the-scott-trust/
Daniel_Newby 13y ago
> I would not have heard about any of the recent revelations if not for The Guardian. Once again, this is not news. Joint operations between NSA/CIA and MI5/6 have been thoroughly reported for decades. The Menwith Hill facility in particular has been doing its spy thing for half a century. Nor is it news that both countries use regulatory arbitrage to evade each other's intel laws.

by ceeK 13y ago

harrytuttle 13y ago

The BBC are terrible. Whilst they don't usually outright lie, they cherry pick stories that don't piss off the ruling elite until everyone else has thoroughly jumped on them. Apart from the guardian, every other news source in the UK is arse paper.

ceeK 13y ago
Suffice to say I think my source of news has changed into The Guardian's hands. Funny enough that the news they report and others don't is the only news I really care about.

osbertlancaster 13y ago

Me too. Usually the bbc/guardian/telegraph all have the same stories, just with a different slant. BUT for Snowden leaks there is a black hole, with only the guardian covering it. (Though everyone covers personal gossip about Snowden, of course). Scary.

tarkin2 13y ago

I often wonder why it's mostly always The Guardian. It's surely not the only left-wing newspaper out there. I wonder if having the Scott Trust[1] as its backer gives it has more freedom in these matters compared to other papers. [1] http://www.gmgplc.co.uk/the-scott-trust/ http://www.gmgplc.co.uk/the-scott-trust/

Daniel_Newby 13y ago

> I would not have heard about any of the recent revelations if not for The Guardian. Once again, this is not news. Joint operations between NSA/CIA and MI5/6 have been thoroughly reported for decades. The Menwith Hill facility in particular has been doing its spy thing for half a century. Nor is it news that both countries use regulatory arbitrage to evade each other's intel laws.