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Sorry, what? Survival of whom, exactly?

by vdaniuk 13y ago

speeder 13y ago
Ethinic russians. They have a very low fertility currently, and there are plenty of correlation between places that accept homosexuality as normal (instead of only tolerating it) and low fertility. Of course, correlation is not causation, but what you think the majority of russians will think about the subject?
- ArtifTh 13y ago
  Being gay or not is not a choice, so how can fertility rate be linked with number of homosexuals?
  - Demiurge 13y ago
    Being gay is not against the law. I can certainly see propaganda of non traditional lifestyle would be detrimental to fertility.
    - Dewie 13y ago
      Being gay seems as much a lifestyle choice as being straight or being lactose intolerant.
      - Demiurge 13y ago
        Being gay is not the issue, the issue is people not marrying or having kids and dedicating their lives to it because they see other people not doing the same. Thinking that's normal is good for the individual, but not good for a society. US is doing fine in that regard, but Russia is not, population is declining, people are not marrying or having kids as much as they did before, and lifestyle propaganda is one of the few things the state can do.
        ArtifTh 13y ago
        http://visualbooster.com/share/20130801230340534.png http://visualbooster.com/share/20130801230340534.png Here is graph which represents fertility rate in Russia (orange) comparative to Japan (red) and Germany (blue). It's obviously climbing up since economy stabilized. Now, would you expect huge increase after anti gay-propaganda law is established?
        Demiurge 13y ago
        No I wouldn't, not just because of this single law. There also needs to be actual pro-marriage, pro-kids, anti-drug, anti-promiscuity propaganda at the same time. There need to be more proactive actions and measures taken, but of course that's much harder than some blocking measure.
      - thoughtpalette 13y ago
        A great viewpoint for the choosing vs lifestyle argument. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY
    - arrrg 13y ago
      “propaganda of non traditional lifestyle” What the fuck does that even mean? How the fuck can you even say this bullshit?! Fuck off from HN, homophobe.
      - Demiurge 13y ago
        It means showing people not living in a monogamous stable relationship dedicated to upbringing of their kids, that it is "normal". I'm not a homophobe, so I guess I won't fuck off, asshole. I have nothing against gayness, I am actually a bit bi, also unmarried. However, I know that if everyone lived the way I do, this society would be MUCH, MUCH, worse off. Therefore I would not advertise my lifestyle and tell people it is okey, and they should live it.
        vdaniuk 13y ago
        Your lifestyle is ok, dude or dudette. Seriously. It is systemic problems of societies such as horrbile education system, emotional politics and various instances of "prisoners dillemma" games that are much more major factors that are detrimental to society well-being.
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- Dewie 13y ago
  The most reasonable conclusion is IMO that there is a strong correlation with developed countries, low fertility rate, and socially liberal values. The more likely connection is the developed economy and the low fertility rate, in general. Socially liberal people tend to accept homosexuality more.
- mpyne 13y ago
  There's also plenty of (negative) correlation between the number of pirates at sea and worldwide temperatures, which is why the Pastafarians are preaching their gospel in full pirate regalia to try and stop global warming.
- JohnZZ 13y ago
  Many Russians believe that the gay rights movement was Soviet propaganda against the West that is now backfiring on them.

Sorry, what? Survival of whom, exactly?

by vdaniuk 13y ago

Sorry, what? Survival of whom, exactly?

Ethinic russians. They have a very low fertility currently, and there are plenty of correlation between places that accept homosexuality as normal (instead of only tolerating it) and low fertility. Of course, correlation is not causation, but what you think the majority of russians will think about the subject?

ArtifTh 13y ago
Being gay or not is not a choice, so how can fertility rate be linked with number of homosexuals?
- Demiurge 13y ago
  Being gay is not against the law. I can certainly see propaganda of non traditional lifestyle would be detrimental to fertility.
  - Dewie 13y ago
    Being gay seems as much a lifestyle choice as being straight or being lactose intolerant.
    - Demiurge 13y ago
      Being gay is not the issue, the issue is people not marrying or having kids and dedicating their lives to it because they see other people not doing the same. Thinking that's normal is good for the individual, but not good for a society. US is doing fine in that regard, but Russia is not, population is declining, people are not marrying or having kids as much as they did before, and lifestyle propaganda is one of the few things the state can do.
      - ArtifTh 13y ago
        http://visualbooster.com/share/20130801230340534.png http://visualbooster.com/share/20130801230340534.png Here is graph which represents fertility rate in Russia (orange) comparative to Japan (red) and Germany (blue). It's obviously climbing up since economy stabilized. Now, would you expect huge increase after anti gay-propaganda law is established?
        Demiurge 13y ago
        No I wouldn't, not just because of this single law. There also needs to be actual pro-marriage, pro-kids, anti-drug, anti-promiscuity propaganda at the same time. There need to be more proactive actions and measures taken, but of course that's much harder than some blocking measure.
    - thoughtpalette 13y ago
      A great viewpoint for the choosing vs lifestyle argument. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJtjqLUHYoY
  - arrrg 13y ago
    “propaganda of non traditional lifestyle” What the fuck does that even mean? How the fuck can you even say this bullshit?! Fuck off from HN, homophobe.
    - Demiurge 13y ago
      It means showing people not living in a monogamous stable relationship dedicated to upbringing of their kids, that it is "normal". I'm not a homophobe, so I guess I won't fuck off, asshole. I have nothing against gayness, I am actually a bit bi, also unmarried. However, I know that if everyone lived the way I do, this society would be MUCH, MUCH, worse off. Therefore I would not advertise my lifestyle and tell people it is okey, and they should live it.
      - vdaniuk 13y ago
        Your lifestyle is ok, dude or dudette. Seriously. It is systemic problems of societies such as horrbile education system, emotional politics and various instances of "prisoners dillemma" games that are much more major factors that are detrimental to society well-being.
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Dewie 13y ago
The most reasonable conclusion is IMO that there is a strong correlation with developed countries, low fertility rate, and socially liberal values. The more likely connection is the developed economy and the low fertility rate, in general. Socially liberal people tend to accept homosexuality more.
mpyne 13y ago
There's also plenty of (negative) correlation between the number of pirates at sea and worldwide temperatures, which is why the Pastafarians are preaching their gospel in full pirate regalia to try and stop global warming.
JohnZZ 13y ago
Many Russians believe that the gay rights movement was Soviet propaganda against the West that is now backfiring on them.