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I only said one third of that. I also said that I don't think you're as restricted with intranet web apps as you are with public web apps, but I could be wrong.

by WayneDB 13y ago

I only said one third of that. I also said that I don't think you're as restricted with intranet web apps as you are with public web apps, but I could be wrong... Anyway - you can lie if you want to and I certainly won't judge you - but I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license. Big difference. (From your original post, it sounded to me like you probably don't have shareholders. Do you?) Are you aware that vast numbers of small, medium and even larger size businesses are running SQL Server without the proper licenses? Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod? Just like Windows and Office...until XP/2003 when they turned to activation. They didn't do that for SQL Server or many of their other products as far as I can remember. Could happen, but we'll see... So yeah, advising you to do what millions of other business do too - I have no problem with that. (I also have no problem bribing the locals if that's the normal course of business. Don't think of me as immoral - I'm a realist. Big businesses squeeze everybody in one way or another, so if you can get away with it - it's great advice. The risk goes up the larger your company gets, obviously...) Also, SQL Server 2012 is 100% backwards compatible with 2008 R2. So Express 2012 would definitely work (Microsoft is legendary for their backwards compatibility. Just sayin'.) What kind of business are you running 200 Macs for anyway?

flagnog 13y ago
"Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod?" and then the BSA comes calling.... it's not worth the risk.
- WayneDB 13y ago
  Well, that's your assessment of it. Plenty of small and medium sized businesses have been doing it without any problems for over a decade. Same thing with MSDN subscriptions - you're supposed to buy one sub per developer and many places simply buy one and then proceed to install Visual Studio on 20 computers.
teilo 13y ago
I'm aware people lie all the time. I'm aware that sometimes they get caught. I'm aware that when you owe millions of dollars to a bank, the auditors actually check this stuff. "I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license." And with that you lose the argument, and all credibility.
- WayneDB 13y ago
  Ummm, okay whatever you say... Enjoy the lame Mac-based "business" infrastructure that you built. Maybe if you'd gone with Windows to begin with, like every other business on the planet - you'd have saved enough money so you wouldn't be complaining about Microsoft's server licensing costs right now.
  - teilo 13y ago
    I bow to your manifestly superior entrepreneurial prowess. Obviously, I am too stupid to know how lame Macs are. That explains why my company has maintained a paltry year-to-year growth rate of not less than 50% for the last 15 years. Oh, and for the record: "Am I bovvered? Look at my face. Am I bovvered though?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0
    - WayneDB 13y ago
      Please, excuse me if I don't believe you in the slightest. I'm sure though, if you tried really hard, you could even attribute your imaginary profits to your use of Macs. I'd love to see some of your hipster logic in detail. Anyway so, say you're making good money and the only product that can apparently fill your needs properly requires SQL Server....and yet you're still complaining? With all that money you have? One would think you'd be happy to even have found a product that does exactly what your business needs. Did you wonder though why there are no products for you that run on OS X? (It's a real mind-boggler for you, I'm sure.) I'm still laughing at the fact that you've (allegedly) spent well over $100K on overpriced Apple hardware and yet you have the audacity to complain about spending a fraction of that on some software that you actually need. Really...thanks for the entertainment :)

by WayneDB 13y ago

flagnog 13y ago

"Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod?" and then the BSA comes calling.... it's not worth the risk.

WayneDB 13y ago
Well, that's your assessment of it. Plenty of small and medium sized businesses have been doing it without any problems for over a decade. Same thing with MSDN subscriptions - you're supposed to buy one sub per developer and many places simply buy one and then proceed to install Visual Studio on 20 computers.

teilo 13y ago

I'm aware people lie all the time. I'm aware that sometimes they get caught. I'm aware that when you owe millions of dollars to a bank, the auditors actually check this stuff. "I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license." And with that you lose the argument, and all credibility.

WayneDB 13y ago
Ummm, okay whatever you say... Enjoy the lame Mac-based "business" infrastructure that you built. Maybe if you'd gone with Windows to begin with, like every other business on the planet - you'd have saved enough money so you wouldn't be complaining about Microsoft's server licensing costs right now.
- teilo 13y ago
  I bow to your manifestly superior entrepreneurial prowess. Obviously, I am too stupid to know how lame Macs are. That explains why my company has maintained a paltry year-to-year growth rate of not less than 50% for the last 15 years. Oh, and for the record: "Am I bovvered? Look at my face. Am I bovvered though?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0
  - WayneDB 13y ago
    Please, excuse me if I don't believe you in the slightest. I'm sure though, if you tried really hard, you could even attribute your imaginary profits to your use of Macs. I'd love to see some of your hipster logic in detail. Anyway so, say you're making good money and the only product that can apparently fill your needs properly requires SQL Server....and yet you're still complaining? With all that money you have? One would think you'd be happy to even have found a product that does exactly what your business needs. Did you wonder though why there are no products for you that run on OS X? (It's a real mind-boggler for you, I'm sure.) I'm still laughing at the fact that you've (allegedly) spent well over $100K on overpriced Apple hardware and yet you have the audacity to complain about spending a fraction of that on some software that you actually need. Really...thanks for the entertainment :)