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For the record: we reached out to Valerie, not the other way around. We did that because we value her opinion. It's interesting to me that you seem so angry ab

For the record: we reached out to Valerie, not the other way around. We did that because we value her opinion. It's interesting to me that you seem so angry about a group that's trying to bring more people into tech. What are you worried about, exactly?

sneak 13y ago
Her agenda masquerades as something genuinely good and productive, yet pushes something orthogonal and unrelated. She's on a crusade. Most of the women I know in tech loathe these sorts of concern-trolls for giving feminists erroneous reputations of being hard to work with. Also, who's angry? I just think it's stupid to engage with such destructive people, but then again I don't participate in the Django community in any way so it doesn't affect me one way or the other. Also, giving them credence and strengthening their brand serves to help them undermine actual equality in our industry, but, again, I'm male, so it doesn't directly affect me. It's still stupid, though.
- AdrianRossouw 13y ago
  i concur. i know a few female software developers who are completely comfortable amongst an all male group, but are terrified of speaking up when there is a mixed group. This type of feminist, and the ada group are known for this kind of behaviour specifically, are wont to turn on their own : http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-am-not-your-enemy-an-open-letter-to-my-feminist-critics/ http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-am-not-your-enemy-an-o...
- kingkilr 13y ago
  Please don't think of diversity as an issue that doesn't affect you, because you are a man. A lack of diversity affects all of us. More diverse groups perform better. If a lack of diversity is a result of artificial barriers being put into place (such as a community not welcoming new members), then that less the effect an individuals right to self-determiniation, and I believe that's an issue that effects all of us.
  - sneak 13y ago
    That's precisely why I qualified it with "doesn't directly affect me".

sneak 13y ago

Her agenda masquerades as something genuinely good and productive, yet pushes something orthogonal and unrelated. She's on a crusade. Most of the women I know in tech loathe these sorts of concern-trolls for giving feminists erroneous reputations of being hard to work with. Also, who's angry? I just think it's stupid to engage with such destructive people, but then again I don't participate in the Django community in any way so it doesn't affect me one way or the other. Also, giving them credence and strengthening their brand serves to help them undermine actual equality in our industry, but, again, I'm male, so it doesn't directly affect me. It's still stupid, though.

AdrianRossouw 13y ago
i concur. i know a few female software developers who are completely comfortable amongst an all male group, but are terrified of speaking up when there is a mixed group. This type of feminist, and the ada group are known for this kind of behaviour specifically, are wont to turn on their own : http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-am-not-your-enemy-an-open-letter-to-my-feminist-critics/ http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-am-not-your-enemy-an-o...
kingkilr 13y ago
Please don't think of diversity as an issue that doesn't affect you, because you are a man. A lack of diversity affects all of us. More diverse groups perform better. If a lack of diversity is a result of artificial barriers being put into place (such as a community not welcoming new members), then that less the effect an individuals right to self-determiniation, and I believe that's an issue that effects all of us.
- sneak 13y ago
  That's precisely why I qualified it with "doesn't directly affect me".