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You said "...because it's not a public website, but a private web app." So, you do not have to license it per core. You can buy the $898 standard version and a

by WayneDB 13y ago

You said "...because it's not a public website, but a private web app." So, you do not have to license it per core. You can buy the $898 standard version and a few CALs - one for your web app and the rest for db admins. Furthermore - even if there is some wording that says "if 100 people are hitting your private web app, you have to buy 100 CALS" - just ignore it like everybody else does.

teilo 13y ago
So, your argument amounts to this: Ignore Microsoft's licensing requirements, be a pirate, and just lie through your teeth. No, this is not what "everybody else" does, especially those who must answer to shareholders, compliance personnel, and a management team that actually cares about staying within the bounds of the law, and not paying thousands of dollars in civil penalties should we be found in violation of a licensing agreement. This is why we develop everything we can on an open source application stack. But we can't write everything from scratch. We aren't going to spend $100K+ developing an entire enterprise shipping system from scratch. That means we must purchase proprietary solutions that will cost us much less and have a greater ROI. That also means licensing compliance.
- WayneDB 13y ago
  I only said one third of that. I also said that I don't think you're as restricted with intranet web apps as you are with public web apps, but I could be wrong... Anyway - you can lie if you want to and I certainly won't judge you - but I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license. Big difference. (From your original post, it sounded to me like you probably don't have shareholders. Do you?) Are you aware that vast numbers of small, medium and even larger size businesses are running SQL Server without the proper licenses? Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod? Just like Windows and Office...until XP/2003 when they turned to activation. They didn't do that for SQL Server or many of their other products as far as I can remember. Could happen, but we'll see... So yeah, advising you to do what millions of other business do too - I have no problem with that. (I also have no problem bribing the locals if that's the normal course of business. Don't think of me as immoral - I'm a realist. Big businesses squeeze everybody in one way or another, so if you can get away with it - it's great advice. The risk goes up the larger your company gets, obviously...) Also, SQL Server 2012 is 100% backwards compatible with 2008 R2. So Express 2012 would definitely work (Microsoft is legendary for their backwards compatibility. Just sayin'.) What kind of business are you running 200 Macs for anyway?
  - flagnog 13y ago
    "Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod?" and then the BSA comes calling.... it's not worth the risk.
    - WayneDB 13y ago
      Well, that's your assessment of it. Plenty of small and medium sized businesses have been doing it without any problems for over a decade. Same thing with MSDN subscriptions - you're supposed to buy one sub per developer and many places simply buy one and then proceed to install Visual Studio on 20 computers.
  - teilo 13y ago
    I'm aware people lie all the time. I'm aware that sometimes they get caught. I'm aware that when you owe millions of dollars to a bank, the auditors actually check this stuff. "I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license." And with that you lose the argument, and all credibility.
    - WayneDB 13y ago
      Ummm, okay whatever you say... Enjoy the lame Mac-based "business" infrastructure that you built. Maybe if you'd gone with Windows to begin with, like every other business on the planet - you'd have saved enough money so you wouldn't be complaining about Microsoft's server licensing costs right now.
      - teilo 13y ago
        I bow to your manifestly superior entrepreneurial prowess. Obviously, I am too stupid to know how lame Macs are. That explains why my company has maintained a paltry year-to-year growth rate of not less than 50% for the last 15 years. Oh, and for the record: "Am I bovvered? Look at my face. Am I bovvered though?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0

by WayneDB 13y ago

teilo 13y ago

So, your argument amounts to this: Ignore Microsoft's licensing requirements, be a pirate, and just lie through your teeth. No, this is not what "everybody else" does, especially those who must answer to shareholders, compliance personnel, and a management team that actually cares about staying within the bounds of the law, and not paying thousands of dollars in civil penalties should we be found in violation of a licensing agreement. This is why we develop everything we can on an open source application stack. But we can't write everything from scratch. We aren't going to spend $100K+ developing an entire enterprise shipping system from scratch. That means we must purchase proprietary solutions that will cost us much less and have a greater ROI. That also means licensing compliance.

WayneDB 13y ago
I only said one third of that. I also said that I don't think you're as restricted with intranet web apps as you are with public web apps, but I could be wrong... Anyway - you can lie if you want to and I certainly won't judge you - but I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license. Big difference. (From your original post, it sounded to me like you probably don't have shareholders. Do you?) Are you aware that vast numbers of small, medium and even larger size businesses are running SQL Server without the proper licenses? Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod? Just like Windows and Office...until XP/2003 when they turned to activation. They didn't do that for SQL Server or many of their other products as far as I can remember. Could happen, but we'll see... So yeah, advising you to do what millions of other business do too - I have no problem with that. (I also have no problem bribing the locals if that's the normal course of business. Don't think of me as immoral - I'm a realist. Big businesses squeeze everybody in one way or another, so if you can get away with it - it's great advice. The risk goes up the larger your company gets, obviously...) Also, SQL Server 2012 is 100% backwards compatible with 2008 R2. So Express 2012 would definitely work (Microsoft is legendary for their backwards compatibility. Just sayin'.) What kind of business are you running 200 Macs for anyway?
- flagnog 13y ago
  "Are you also aware that Microsoft knowingly allows this to happen with a wink and a nod?" and then the BSA comes calling.... it's not worth the risk.
  - WayneDB 13y ago
    Well, that's your assessment of it. Plenty of small and medium sized businesses have been doing it without any problems for over a decade. Same thing with MSDN subscriptions - you're supposed to buy one sub per developer and many places simply buy one and then proceed to install Visual Studio on 20 computers.
- teilo 13y ago
  I'm aware people lie all the time. I'm aware that sometimes they get caught. I'm aware that when you owe millions of dollars to a bank, the auditors actually check this stuff. "I didn't say you should lie or be a pirate. I said ignore the license." And with that you lose the argument, and all credibility.
  - WayneDB 13y ago
    Ummm, okay whatever you say... Enjoy the lame Mac-based "business" infrastructure that you built. Maybe if you'd gone with Windows to begin with, like every other business on the planet - you'd have saved enough money so you wouldn't be complaining about Microsoft's server licensing costs right now.
    - teilo 13y ago
      I bow to your manifestly superior entrepreneurial prowess. Obviously, I am too stupid to know how lame Macs are. That explains why my company has maintained a paltry year-to-year growth rate of not less than 50% for the last 15 years. Oh, and for the record: "Am I bovvered? Look at my face. Am I bovvered though?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lcm7Vp_p0