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> I'm a practically addicted news junkie ... More like a news sheep. The mass market news is and has always been 49% fluff and 49% lies. Comments from people

> I'm a practically addicted news junkie ... More like a news sheep. The mass market news is and has always been 49% fluff and 49% lies. Comments from people who already knew what the NSA does are not "self aggrandizing". The are other-insulting. You should rightly be ashamed that you walk through life in a news fog of up-to-the-minute minutiae. Read books by retired insiders, talk to current insiders and contractors. That's the only way you will learn anything about anything. To wait for the newsmen to do it for you is to sign your mind over to tampon salesmen. The NSA story is staggeringly unimportant. Every government, many companies, and rather a lot of organized criminals run intel and counterintel operations. It is just a fact of life, like antibiotics and highway construction. It is inevitable that there must be a national American signals intelligence organization. What os staggetingly important is why the NSA alone, out of all the spy organizations, is being singled out for a comprehensive media war. The most likely explanation is that the Democratic Party needed something to distract from its pecadillos. The next most likely explanation is that a foreign government is getting themselves some payback. In any event, if you care about this non-news, you are just another mindless pawn.

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knowaveragejoe 13y ago
Wow, what a staggering misinterpretation of what the parent said.
- Daniel_Newby 13y ago
  Every time I post the truth about this NSA fiasco, I get: 1. Downvoted to oblivion by a hivemind, and 2. Somebody like you chimes in with a content-free emotional outburst. So exactly what did I misunderstand? The incontrovertible fact that this really isn't news? The fact that every history and exposé on the NSA has been saying this for decades? The fact that the NSA tried cramming the Clipper chip and key length restrictions down our throats to make domestic spying easier? For half a decade this was a weekly running joke on Slashdot that you had to have been living under a rock to miss. That the previous commenter claimed to be a "news junky" and then admitted that by news he means the mass media—a pack of tampon salesmen and political hatchetmen.
  - drivebypenis69 13y ago
    Don't worry, you're being downvoted by all the other "OUTRAGED" hackers who ignored all of the news that has been out about these programs for the last decade. Rather than confront the fact that they * have been downplaying the severity of this in the last two months and admit that maybe they ignored some of the news or didn't pay it attention, they contend it simply never existed. The "The NSA is siphoning off the Internet on a huge scale" was a huge fucking story in Wired 5 years ago and no one gave two shits. I'm sorry but "This is a complete surprise." is BS to anyone who's ACTUALLY been paying attention. * Where "they" includes multiple noted HN names, often from the top list, that I've personally watched walk back their own denial of NSA programs in the last two months as more and more information has come out. Oh, and that guy that guy that did security for Google that just embarrassed himself a few weeks back has to feel really special now. edit: Sorry, the Wired story was SEVEN years ago now. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619 http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619
  - deveac 13y ago
    >That the previous commenter claimed to be a "news junky" and then admitted that by news he means the mass media Absolutely nowhere did I say, or even begin to imply that. In fact, I explicitly called out the mainstream media for being complicit and/or not reporting on this issue while indicating that much of what is being reported was already known to me. Not only did I NOT say that I get my news from the mainstream media, the implication was, if anything, that I did not. The mainstream media is about the last place I'd look for competent coverage of this issue. You're terrible at reading comprehension. Terrible. You make a lot of assumptions, all of them wrong, then proceed to insult other people based off your incorrect assumptions. Additionally, the only thing incontrovertible is that this is news to the vast, vast majority of people who are affected by these programs. Those are the real numbers. But I know you. You're part of the Pedestal Crowd furiously patting themselves on the back. Good for you Danny. Atta boy.
  - knowaveragejoe 13y ago
    Yikes, please read the parent's response to yours. He explains better than I can how you completely misinterpreted his initial comment.

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knowaveragejoe 13y ago

Wow, what a staggering misinterpretation of what the parent said.

Daniel_Newby 13y ago
Every time I post the truth about this NSA fiasco, I get: 1. Downvoted to oblivion by a hivemind, and 2. Somebody like you chimes in with a content-free emotional outburst. So exactly what did I misunderstand? The incontrovertible fact that this really isn't news? The fact that every history and exposé on the NSA has been saying this for decades? The fact that the NSA tried cramming the Clipper chip and key length restrictions down our throats to make domestic spying easier? For half a decade this was a weekly running joke on Slashdot that you had to have been living under a rock to miss. That the previous commenter claimed to be a "news junky" and then admitted that by news he means the mass media—a pack of tampon salesmen and political hatchetmen.
- drivebypenis69 13y ago
  Don't worry, you're being downvoted by all the other "OUTRAGED" hackers who ignored all of the news that has been out about these programs for the last decade. Rather than confront the fact that they * have been downplaying the severity of this in the last two months and admit that maybe they ignored some of the news or didn't pay it attention, they contend it simply never existed. The "The NSA is siphoning off the Internet on a huge scale" was a huge fucking story in Wired 5 years ago and no one gave two shits. I'm sorry but "This is a complete surprise." is BS to anyone who's ACTUALLY been paying attention. * Where "they" includes multiple noted HN names, often from the top list, that I've personally watched walk back their own denial of NSA programs in the last two months as more and more information has come out. Oh, and that guy that guy that did security for Google that just embarrassed himself a few weeks back has to feel really special now. edit: Sorry, the Wired story was SEVEN years ago now. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619 http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619
- deveac 13y ago
  >That the previous commenter claimed to be a "news junky" and then admitted that by news he means the mass media Absolutely nowhere did I say, or even begin to imply that. In fact, I explicitly called out the mainstream media for being complicit and/or not reporting on this issue while indicating that much of what is being reported was already known to me. Not only did I NOT say that I get my news from the mainstream media, the implication was, if anything, that I did not. The mainstream media is about the last place I'd look for competent coverage of this issue. You're terrible at reading comprehension. Terrible. You make a lot of assumptions, all of them wrong, then proceed to insult other people based off your incorrect assumptions. Additionally, the only thing incontrovertible is that this is news to the vast, vast majority of people who are affected by these programs. Those are the real numbers. But I know you. You're part of the Pedestal Crowd furiously patting themselves on the back. Good for you Danny. Atta boy.
- knowaveragejoe 13y ago
  Yikes, please read the parent's response to yours. He explains better than I can how you completely misinterpreted his initial comment.