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>How do I find a strong-selector for a known target? >How do I find a cell of terrorists that has no known connection to strong-selectors? >Answer: Look for a

>How do I find a strong-selector for a known target? >How do I find a cell of terrorists that has no known connection to strong-selectors? >Answer: Look for anomalous events >E.g. Someone whose language is out of place for the region they are in >Someone who is using encryption >Someone searching the web for suspicious stuff Lovely. Suspicious stuff and encryption. But wait! There's more! >Show me all the VPN startups in country X, and give me the data so I can decrypt and discover the users. Wait... what? I really hope that doesn't mean what it sounds like it means. >Slide 22 [regarding determining who authored a Jihadist document] redacted. Well that's interesting. >Show me all the exploitable machines in country X. That's cool. I'm guessing this is what Snowden meant by weak endpoint security. >Over 300 terrorists captured using intelligence generated from X-KEYSCORE >Slides 29 and 30 regarding this redacted. What a shame.

talmand 13y ago
I'd like to know where they are keeping these "over 300 terrorists" that have been captured due to this program. How is one labeled a terrorist by this program I wonder?
- o0-0o 13y ago
  By captured, I'm sure they mean captured via droning.
- deleted 13y ago
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- fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
  I'd like to know how they check for/track false positives.
- bowlofpetunias 13y ago
  This. This is what worries me more than anything. Where have these 300 people gone? There should be records, trials, something. 300 suspected terrorists going on trial over a period of 5 years should have resulted in huge wave of almost 24/7 publicity. That the NSA is in the business of total surveillance is bad enough. But there is the faint hint that the NSA is in the business of making people disappear.
  - junto 13y ago
    Black sites are still there. Black sites with dubious givernments do the disappearances for the CIA, wihout them getting their hands dirty unless they have to.
  - anigbrowl 13y ago
    There's news about terrorist plots being foiled all the time. Why are you assuming there's no overlap? It's quite common in terrorist trials for some of the evidence to be sealed from the public (this isn't unconstitutional, as long as the defense gets to look at it).
- katbyte 13y ago
  And these days it seems you can be labeled a terrorist just for protesting..
- fragsworth 13y ago
  Well, we know what happens when they're "caught" - they're put in Guantanamo forever. Pretty fucking scary if you ask me.
- weinzierl 13y ago
  >Someone whose language is out of place for the region they are in Check (German browsing in English) >Someone who is using encryption Check (my PGP Key is on my website) >Someone searching the web for suspicious stuff Check (I'm a curious person, what did you expect?) I guess I'm considered a terrorist nowadays.
  - stefantalpalaru 13y ago
    Most of us here fit that description, which brings us back to the information overload argument: they are lowering their chances of success by increasing the ratio of false positives. Even disregarding moral and legal aspects, what they are doing is wrong because it's inefficient.
    - talmand 13y ago
      You're assuming that they see having false positives as an issue. You don't worry over such things when there's no problem with tossing suspects into a hole with no due process.
northwest 13y ago
>> Show me all the exploitable machines in country X. > That's cool. I'm guessing this is what Snowden meant by weak endpoint security. That, plus things like Microsoft and Apple operating systems. Don't forget: it's proven they work with the NSA, so backdoors certainly are guaranteed (plus, with Microsoft, we also know they hand 0-day exploits over to the NSA before they're fixed, plus you benefit from all the viruses, trojans, etc.). Again, if you missed it, start migrating now: https://prism-break.org/ https://prism-break.org/
- LoganCale 13y ago
  There was a document released by the Guardian a few weeks to a month back showing how they also monitor open source issue trackers to find exploitable flaws.
  - northwest 13y ago
    Oh I'm sure they're fighting on all fronts (which we will have to do as well...). But I do believe there are higher-hanging and lower-hanging fruits.

talmand 13y ago

I'd like to know where they are keeping these "over 300 terrorists" that have been captured due to this program. How is one labeled a terrorist by this program I wonder?

o0-0o 13y ago
By captured, I'm sure they mean captured via droning.
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fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
I'd like to know how they check for/track false positives.
bowlofpetunias 13y ago
This. This is what worries me more than anything. Where have these 300 people gone? There should be records, trials, something. 300 suspected terrorists going on trial over a period of 5 years should have resulted in huge wave of almost 24/7 publicity. That the NSA is in the business of total surveillance is bad enough. But there is the faint hint that the NSA is in the business of making people disappear.
- junto 13y ago
  Black sites are still there. Black sites with dubious givernments do the disappearances for the CIA, wihout them getting their hands dirty unless they have to.
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  There's news about terrorist plots being foiled all the time. Why are you assuming there's no overlap? It's quite common in terrorist trials for some of the evidence to be sealed from the public (this isn't unconstitutional, as long as the defense gets to look at it).
katbyte 13y ago
And these days it seems you can be labeled a terrorist just for protesting..
fragsworth 13y ago
Well, we know what happens when they're "caught" - they're put in Guantanamo forever. Pretty fucking scary if you ask me.
weinzierl 13y ago
>Someone whose language is out of place for the region they are in Check (German browsing in English) >Someone who is using encryption Check (my PGP Key is on my website) >Someone searching the web for suspicious stuff Check (I'm a curious person, what did you expect?) I guess I'm considered a terrorist nowadays.
- stefantalpalaru 13y ago
  Most of us here fit that description, which brings us back to the information overload argument: they are lowering their chances of success by increasing the ratio of false positives. Even disregarding moral and legal aspects, what they are doing is wrong because it's inefficient.
  - talmand 13y ago
    You're assuming that they see having false positives as an issue. You don't worry over such things when there's no problem with tossing suspects into a hole with no due process.

northwest 13y ago

>> Show me all the exploitable machines in country X. > That's cool. I'm guessing this is what Snowden meant by weak endpoint security. That, plus things like Microsoft and Apple operating systems. Don't forget: it's proven they work with the NSA, so backdoors certainly are guaranteed (plus, with Microsoft, we also know they hand 0-day exploits over to the NSA before they're fixed, plus you benefit from all the viruses, trojans, etc.). Again, if you missed it, start migrating now: https://prism-break.org/ https://prism-break.org/

LoganCale 13y ago
There was a document released by the Guardian a few weeks to a month back showing how they also monitor open source issue trackers to find exploitable flaws.
- northwest 13y ago
  Oh I'm sure they're fighting on all fronts (which we will have to do as well...). But I do believe there are higher-hanging and lower-hanging fruits.