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One of the screen shots: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269238578/KS3-001.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/G

by susi22 13y ago

One of the screen shots: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269238578/KS3-001.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video... says: Top Secret Comm(?) REL() to USA, AUS, CAN, GBR, NZL confirming the previous suspicions that many other governments are on board. Der Spiegel actually has reported a few weeks back about XKeyscore [1] and that it is used by the BND (Germany's NSA). I.e. all this data is also available to the NSA equivalents of Australia, Candana, Great Britain and New Zealand. Many Americans trust their government (unfortunately), will they also trust the other governments? [1]: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligence-worked-closely-with-nsa-on-data-surveillance-a-912355.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-intelligenc... http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-intelligence-agencies-used-nsa-spying-program-a-912173.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-intellige...

packetlss 13y ago
Not GER, it's GBR as in Great Britain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement
bnmathm 13y ago
I'm pretty sure that's actually GBR - Great Britain.
- colanderman 13y ago
  It definitely is; look at the actual (hi-res) presentation: http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa-xkeyscore-program-full-presentation http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa...
brown9-2 13y ago
Those are the Five Eyes countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
- clicks 13y ago
  Good catch -- and really, I find it to be quite foreboding in terms of how indomitable it is precisely because of the secrecy of the program. "This was a secret treaty, allegedly so secret that it was kept secret from the Australian Prime Ministers until 1973." This is indeed a trend, and I speculate that NSA (and NSA-like entities in the other 4 eyes/countries) probably communicate information and abilities to prime ministers and presidents of the respective countries very selectively.
ceejayoz 13y ago
Bonus: The NSA likely can get around the "no spying on US citizens" by just requesting data from those governments, who proceed to pull it out of the NSA's web interface.
_djo_ 13y ago
That's COMINT, or Communications Intelligence, basically the type of intelligence that XKeyscore is part of. It might say HUMINT if the intelligence was collected from human sources. REL TO likely means release to. As I've said before, the realisation that most countries do this sort of thing comes as no surprise.

by susi22 13y ago

packetlss 13y ago

Not GER, it's GBR as in Great Britain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

bnmathm 13y ago

I'm pretty sure that's actually GBR - Great Britain.

colanderman 13y ago
It definitely is; look at the actual (hi-res) presentation: http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa-xkeyscore-program-full-presentation http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa...

brown9-2 13y ago

Those are the Five Eyes countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

clicks 13y ago
Good catch -- and really, I find it to be quite foreboding in terms of how indomitable it is precisely because of the secrecy of the program. "This was a secret treaty, allegedly so secret that it was kept secret from the Australian Prime Ministers until 1973." This is indeed a trend, and I speculate that NSA (and NSA-like entities in the other 4 eyes/countries) probably communicate information and abilities to prime ministers and presidents of the respective countries very selectively.

ceejayoz 13y ago

Bonus: The NSA likely can get around the "no spying on US citizens" by just requesting data from those governments, who proceed to pull it out of the NSA's web interface.

_djo_ 13y ago

That's COMINT, or Communications Intelligence, basically the type of intelligence that XKeyscore is part of. It might say HUMINT if the intelligence was collected from human sources. REL TO likely means release to. As I've said before, the realisation that most countries do this sort of thing comes as no surprise.