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And then?
by 3a0e8ff4e557 13y ago
And then?
- mahmud 13y agoTHEN apply for asylum privately, out of the media. It will be very hard living as an undocumented person, but I have seen it done. I'm Somali.
- thejosh 13y agoLive off the land as a travelling fugitive.
- 46Bit 13y agoWhose land? He probably couldn't find legal work anywhere in the world.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoOTOH, North Korea may be the only place that an illegal immigrant can't find work.
- BWStearns 13y agoAlso depending on the country you're in, keep in mind that you might be marked as suspicious for visiting a foreign embassy. Perhaps send a friend or someone to do the advice getting and only go when you have solid advice from a professional diplomat or embassy staffer that recommends that you do so.
- ckozlowski 13y agoGood advice.
- mahmud 13y agoNow that it came to light that you are in Malaysia, I would modify my initial suggestion. 1) I don't recommend escape as before. I was fearing you might be in an Arab country. Malaysia has what vaguely resembles a law, at least. 2) On the other hand, you are ethnic Chinese. I'd tell the lawyer to bring up the issue of your safety in prison. Man, my heart is seriously aching for you, specially after reading your story. Be safe.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoOut of curiosity, why specifically did you change your advice of escaping Malaysia?
- mahmud 13y agoIt says in #1 that I was afraid he might be in the Mideast. Arabs would hang him with impunity to make an example of him. Malaysia can't: it would be perceived as racially motivated, as he is ethnic Chinese, and Malaysia is already under scrutiny for its race relations.
- notahacker 13y agoIt's also worth adding that being from a relatively stable, democratic and secular country like Malaysia would make it much harder for him to claim asylum in other countries on the grounds of "religious persecution".
- strlen 13y agoMalaysia also has numerous treaties and strong ties with the United States (including security cooperation). Given the Snowden situation, it is quite possible that US would simply refuse to grant asylum (by claiming the charges aren't political) for two purposes: 1) show "sensitivity" to the Islamist world (after implicitly supporting Morsi's outster) 2) to encourage other countries to turn over future whistle blowers despite plausibility of charges against them being political. It isn't likely that he'll garner political support either: the religious right is itself opposed to pornography and like hopes such laws would exist in the US -- social conservatives are fighting hard to defend the idea that laws that prohibit actions that cause no harm are still legitimate, some segments on the left may be prone to political correctness or partisanship (as "their" guy is in power now). Sometimes I think the cause of liberalism (broadly defined -- I don't mean celebrating Clinton over champaign, I mean a belief in individual liberty) has (by now) been hopelessly lost. It looks like the fight is between two varieties of anti-liberal communitarian thought: one merely favours a more diverse and equal society, the other is more traditional; they seem, however, to agree social conventions can trump individual rights (they just disagree what those conventions should be) and that achieving near absolutely security (even against already improbable events) is a more important goal (even if still unreachable) than maintaining most basic civil liberties.