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> And guess what, Google has a fecal-load of conflict of > interest when you start putting a server on your Google > Fiber, that is perhaps an "AppEngine" a

> And guess what, Google has a fecal-load of conflict of > interest when you start putting a server on your Google > Fiber, that is perhaps an "AppEngine" account they > didn't get, or a better email experience than Gmail, > or really awesome photo sharing. All things that Google > would not get any revenue (advertising or otherwise) if > they let that happen. I don't think Google is worried about consumers paying $70 a month to switch from Gmail to a home-hosted server. Anyone capable or interested in running their own server is going to rent a $10/month VPS, not try to kludge something together in their closet.

dragonwriter 13y ago
> I don't think Google is worried about consumers paying $70 a month to switch from Gmail to a home-hosted server. Anyone capable or interested in running their own server is going to rent a $10/month VPS, not try to kludge something together in their closet. You seem to presume that no one has both: 1) Interest and capability to run their own mail server, and 2) Concerns (privacy or otherwise) that argue in favor of physical control of that server. I find this unlikely in the extreme.
- jmillikin 13y ago
  What's the threat model? If you're worried about a rogue VPS company employee, then rent a dedicated server -- it's not that much more expensive, and you'd still benefit from having the redundant power and networking of a proper datacenter. If you're worried about government agents, then the server is probably safer in a datacenter than in your home. When it's in your home, they can get a warrant to break in and bug it without ever notifying any third party. In any case, the absolute quantity of people who are concerned enough about privacy to operate their own server are unlikely to be a major consideration to any ISP.
  - wmf 13y ago
    We're getting a little off topic here but... When it's in your home, they can get a warrant to break in and bug it without ever notifying any third party. When your data is in a data center the government can get it without even a warrant and the provider will be gagged so it won't matter that they know about it.
  - ChuckMcM 13y ago
    Actually, in the US through a quirk of US law a server in your residence has stronger protections with respect to seizure by law enforcement than one in a data center.

dragonwriter 13y ago

> I don't think Google is worried about consumers paying $70 a month to switch from Gmail to a home-hosted server. Anyone capable or interested in running their own server is going to rent a $10/month VPS, not try to kludge something together in their closet. You seem to presume that no one has both: 1) Interest and capability to run their own mail server, and 2) Concerns (privacy or otherwise) that argue in favor of physical control of that server. I find this unlikely in the extreme.

jmillikin 13y ago
What's the threat model? If you're worried about a rogue VPS company employee, then rent a dedicated server -- it's not that much more expensive, and you'd still benefit from having the redundant power and networking of a proper datacenter. If you're worried about government agents, then the server is probably safer in a datacenter than in your home. When it's in your home, they can get a warrant to break in and bug it without ever notifying any third party. In any case, the absolute quantity of people who are concerned enough about privacy to operate their own server are unlikely to be a major consideration to any ISP.
- wmf 13y ago
  We're getting a little off topic here but... When it's in your home, they can get a warrant to break in and bug it without ever notifying any third party. When your data is in a data center the government can get it without even a warrant and the provider will be gagged so it won't matter that they know about it.
- ChuckMcM 13y ago
  Actually, in the US through a quirk of US law a server in your residence has stronger protections with respect to seizure by law enforcement than one in a data center.