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I guess there's a distinction between remaking music and copying it (bit-for-bit) that people aren't seeing. Define it.

by GHFigs 17y ago

menloparkbum 17y ago
Yeah that's a tough one. I have a musician friend who was obsessed with figuring out what equipment the neptunes used on certain songs and then remaking the instrumental part of the tracks. to my ears, they were pretty much indistinguishable from the originals. what's the distinction?
mynameishere 17y ago
I guess it doesn't seem too hard to define, but maybe the confusion is philosophical. When I say bit-for-bit, that's what I mean. When I say "remake" it involves using your own voice and instruments to make a new recording. That's actually been the default through all history. There's no "original recordings" for Beethoven's music. If you buy a pop song's sheet music, never having heard the song, that's a very traditional kind of making music, and completely appropriate. But really, philosophically. Here's an original recording (couldn't find the studio version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZHmHqEE7k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZHmHqEE7k Okay, and here's a great remake. I say great because it's so completely original at the same time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVuh1Ymve2I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVuh1Ymve2I And here's a ripoff (sort of. The sampled parts were paid for), which you probably already guessed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx3m4e45bTo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx3m4e45bTo I really like that song, but that guy added very little to the original remake, so to speak.
- Radix 17y ago
  Here is a link to a more original recording. http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/The_Last_Time/14716915 http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/The_Last_Time/14716915 If that second video is were the Verve stole their sample then I think there's was sufficiently different as to be new. It wasn't a real sample, not like "brush your shoulders off" ...I just heard that for the first time because of this story. I was getter mad just listening to it.
pj 17y ago
The distinction is the amount of work, energy, creativity and risk required to produce them. One requires a lot of it, the other requires clicking a button.
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- sah 17y ago
  You're overestimating the amount of effort and creativity it takes to play a song someone else wrote, and underestimating the effort and creativity involved in the kind of sampling Danger Mouse did on the Grey Album. Kenny G definitely had the easier job among those two examples.

I guess there's a distinction between remaking music and copying it (bit-for-bit) that people aren't seeing. Define it.

by GHFigs 17y ago

I guess there's a distinction between remaking music and copying it (bit-for-bit) that people aren't seeing. Define it.

Yeah that's a tough one. I have a musician friend who was obsessed with figuring out what equipment the neptunes used on certain songs and then remaking the instrumental part of the tracks. to my ears, they were pretty much indistinguishable from the originals. what's the distinction?

mynameishere 17y ago

I guess it doesn't seem too hard to define, but maybe the confusion is philosophical. When I say bit-for-bit, that's what I mean. When I say "remake" it involves using your own voice and instruments to make a new recording. That's actually been the default through all history. There's no "original recordings" for Beethoven's music. If you buy a pop song's sheet music, never having heard the song, that's a very traditional kind of making music, and completely appropriate. But really, philosophically. Here's an original recording (couldn't find the studio version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZHmHqEE7k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZHmHqEE7k Okay, and here's a great remake. I say great because it's so completely original at the same time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVuh1Ymve2I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVuh1Ymve2I And here's a ripoff (sort of. The sampled parts were paid for), which you probably already guessed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx3m4e45bTo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx3m4e45bTo I really like that song, but that guy added very little to the original remake, so to speak.

Radix 17y ago
Here is a link to a more original recording. http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/The_Last_Time/14716915 http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/The_Last_Time/14716915 If that second video is were the Verve stole their sample then I think there's was sufficiently different as to be new. It wasn't a real sample, not like "brush your shoulders off" ...I just heard that for the first time because of this story. I was getter mad just listening to it.

pj 17y ago

The distinction is the amount of work, energy, creativity and risk required to produce them. One requires a lot of it, the other requires clicking a button.

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sah 17y ago
You're overestimating the amount of effort and creativity it takes to play a song someone else wrote, and underestimating the effort and creativity involved in the kind of sampling Danger Mouse did on the Grey Album. Kenny G definitely had the easier job among those two examples.