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> Driving can be difficult and sometimes you need to park and stretch your legs. If your employer doesn't allow legally required breaks you can use the GPS log

by jonknee 13y ago

> Driving can be difficult and sometimes you need to park and stretch your legs. If your employer doesn't allow legally required breaks you can use the GPS log in your suit against the company. Otherwise it sounds like you weren't doing your job.

tinco 13y ago
Someone isn't doing their job when they are taking breaks more often than the legally requirement minimum? Sounds a bit harsh to me.
- jonknee 13y ago
  Pulling over his delivery truck to go on a walk does indeed sound like not doing his job as a delivery driver. I don't see many UPS drivers going for jogs during the day...
  - oh_sigh 13y ago
    > I don't see many UPS drivers going for jogs during the day... What a horrible example. They actually get up and walk around probably dozens of times per day. That is completely different from long-haul trucking, where you may only get 2 stretch breaks in a 10 hour period.
  - michaelwww 13y ago
    Not all delivery drivers are package delivery types. There are a lot of other types of company vehicle drivers like medical equipment delivery and service. I imagine all company and govt vehicles are headed towards GPS tracking and logging.
toomuchtodo 13y ago
People aren't machines and shouldn't be treated as such.
- michaelwww 13y ago
  I had a long career programming computers and decided to take a break from it and do something completely different. I had two different driving jobs (because I like to drive.) I was shocked beyond belief at how employees are treated as machines and worse for not much pay.
  - DrJokepu 13y ago
    Everyone should have shitty jobs for at least a month or two growing up. When I was doing my degree in mechanical engineering after my first year I had to do this internship in this manufacturing plant in France. I was basically a factory worker. It really sucked. But it kind of put things in perspective. I knew that in a few months I'll be back in the school doing awesome stuff but for most of the folks there being treated like shit for next to nothing was pretty much everything life had to offer. Then one day the entire plant and all the workers have been replaced with a few industrial robots.
    - lostlogin 13y ago
      Agreed. I did a stint in a cardboard box factory. I put the lid on a box that came out a machine. 1 per second for an 8 hour shift. Clock in clock out. Management sat in an office above the shop floor and waited for infractions to punish it was soul destroying.
      - redblacktree 13y ago
        Did you ever manage to count to 28,800?
    - nilkn 13y ago
      I agree with this. My dad's a surgeon, and he tells me sometimes how he frequently hears many other doctors complaining about their job. He says the only reason they complain about a great job which gets them immense social respect, pays $300k+ in a very cheap rural area, and has rock-solid job security is because they've never known anything worse. It's the only job they've ever had. Most came from well-off families and never worked through high school and college at all.
michaelwww 13y ago
There were far worse reasons to file a lawsuit (such as the company encouraging out right fraud in record keeping) but not many drivers are going to do that. They'd rather just complain and play the game while staying gainfully employed. There are all kinds of subtle ways to get rid of problem drivers. You've heard of Three Felonies a Day? [1] A driver can easily break a lot of driving rules and if the company wants to be strict about it, you're gone. [1] http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.asp...
- anigbrowl 13y ago
  don't put your trust in Harvey Silverglate, he's a total liar and manipulator. Take the first example on the page you linked to, where he claims a woman was sentenced to two years in prison for cluelessly buying lobsters in plastic bags taht should have been packed in boxes. Bullshit: she was sentenced for conspiracy, mislabeling of produce, and violations of the Lacey act for illegal harvesting of underage/undersize lobster, in defiance of Honduran laws designed to preserve their fisheries, over a 5 year period. The feds didn't set out to prosecute Huang; they were approached by Honduan authorities and asked for help in stopping the illegal fishing activities. See https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/331/331.F3d.1228.01-15148.02-11264.02-10810.html https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/331/331.F3d.1228.0... for the appeal court judgment - and ask yourself why Silverglate doesn't provide his readers with a link to the judgment or even an accurate summary of the indictment. Every single case I have ever seen Silverglate cite involves a similar level of misrepresentation on his part.
  - michaelwww 13y ago
    That's good know because this meme is floating around in some circles.
  - declan 13y ago
    I interviewed Harvey Silverglate while he was writing his Three Felonies book and came away with precisely the opposite opinion. Harvey is hardly a "liar and manipulator." He was EFF's first attorney and is one of the leading civil liberties attorneys of our time. Here's what Harvey wrote about prosecutorial misconduct in Aaron Swartz's case, for instance: http://dankennedy.net/2013/01/24/the-swartz-suicide-and-the-sick-culture-of-the-justice-dept/ http://dankennedy.net/2013/01/24/the-swartz-suicide-and-the-... I'm not sure what <anigbrowl> has against Harvey, but it seems like a personal vendetta untethered to reality.
marincounty 13y ago
You should become a Manager. You would fit right in. Dems--Dees-and Doos. You would make a great middle management Dink.

by jonknee 13y ago

tinco 13y ago

Someone isn't doing their job when they are taking breaks more often than the legally requirement minimum? Sounds a bit harsh to me.

jonknee 13y ago
Pulling over his delivery truck to go on a walk does indeed sound like not doing his job as a delivery driver. I don't see many UPS drivers going for jogs during the day...
- oh_sigh 13y ago
  > I don't see many UPS drivers going for jogs during the day... What a horrible example. They actually get up and walk around probably dozens of times per day. That is completely different from long-haul trucking, where you may only get 2 stretch breaks in a 10 hour period.
- michaelwww 13y ago
  Not all delivery drivers are package delivery types. There are a lot of other types of company vehicle drivers like medical equipment delivery and service. I imagine all company and govt vehicles are headed towards GPS tracking and logging.

toomuchtodo 13y ago

People aren't machines and shouldn't be treated as such.

michaelwww 13y ago
I had a long career programming computers and decided to take a break from it and do something completely different. I had two different driving jobs (because I like to drive.) I was shocked beyond belief at how employees are treated as machines and worse for not much pay.
- DrJokepu 13y ago
  Everyone should have shitty jobs for at least a month or two growing up. When I was doing my degree in mechanical engineering after my first year I had to do this internship in this manufacturing plant in France. I was basically a factory worker. It really sucked. But it kind of put things in perspective. I knew that in a few months I'll be back in the school doing awesome stuff but for most of the folks there being treated like shit for next to nothing was pretty much everything life had to offer. Then one day the entire plant and all the workers have been replaced with a few industrial robots.
  - lostlogin 13y ago
    Agreed. I did a stint in a cardboard box factory. I put the lid on a box that came out a machine. 1 per second for an 8 hour shift. Clock in clock out. Management sat in an office above the shop floor and waited for infractions to punish it was soul destroying.
    - redblacktree 13y ago
      Did you ever manage to count to 28,800?
  - nilkn 13y ago
    I agree with this. My dad's a surgeon, and he tells me sometimes how he frequently hears many other doctors complaining about their job. He says the only reason they complain about a great job which gets them immense social respect, pays $300k+ in a very cheap rural area, and has rock-solid job security is because they've never known anything worse. It's the only job they've ever had. Most came from well-off families and never worked through high school and college at all.

michaelwww 13y ago

There were far worse reasons to file a lawsuit (such as the company encouraging out right fraud in record keeping) but not many drivers are going to do that. They'd rather just complain and play the game while staying gainfully employed. There are all kinds of subtle ways to get rid of problem drivers. You've heard of Three Felonies a Day? [1] A driver can easily break a lot of driving rules and if the company wants to be strict about it, you're gone. [1] http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.aspx http://www.threefeloniesaday.com/Youtoo/tabid/86/Default.asp...

anigbrowl 13y ago
don't put your trust in Harvey Silverglate, he's a total liar and manipulator. Take the first example on the page you linked to, where he claims a woman was sentenced to two years in prison for cluelessly buying lobsters in plastic bags taht should have been packed in boxes. Bullshit: she was sentenced for conspiracy, mislabeling of produce, and violations of the Lacey act for illegal harvesting of underage/undersize lobster, in defiance of Honduran laws designed to preserve their fisheries, over a 5 year period. The feds didn't set out to prosecute Huang; they were approached by Honduan authorities and asked for help in stopping the illegal fishing activities. See https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/331/331.F3d.1228.01-15148.02-11264.02-10810.html https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/331/331.F3d.1228.0... for the appeal court judgment - and ask yourself why Silverglate doesn't provide his readers with a link to the judgment or even an accurate summary of the indictment. Every single case I have ever seen Silverglate cite involves a similar level of misrepresentation on his part.
- michaelwww 13y ago
  That's good know because this meme is floating around in some circles.
- declan 13y ago
  I interviewed Harvey Silverglate while he was writing his Three Felonies book and came away with precisely the opposite opinion. Harvey is hardly a "liar and manipulator." He was EFF's first attorney and is one of the leading civil liberties attorneys of our time. Here's what Harvey wrote about prosecutorial misconduct in Aaron Swartz's case, for instance: http://dankennedy.net/2013/01/24/the-swartz-suicide-and-the-sick-culture-of-the-justice-dept/ http://dankennedy.net/2013/01/24/the-swartz-suicide-and-the-... I'm not sure what <anigbrowl> has against Harvey, but it seems like a personal vendetta untethered to reality.

marincounty 13y ago

You should become a Manager. You would fit right in. Dems--Dees-and Doos. You would make a great middle management Dink.