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I'm not sure that the responsibility lies with people or society at large. Do you believe people on Twitter do not have the resources available to attempt crea

by tks2103 13y ago

I'm not sure that the responsibility lies with people or society at large. Do you believe people on Twitter do not have the resources available to attempt creative works? Furthermore, do you believe that, without being creative, it is not possible for a person to refrain from telling a game designer to kill himself? I believe that individuals making death threats or rape threats on the internet are generally making individual choices with full knowledge of the repercussions. I do not believe they have any reasonable excuse justifying their actions. The responsibility for understanding and identifying how deeply they can damage another human is solely theirs.

null_ptr 13y ago
"Do you believe people on Twitter do not have the resources available to attempt creative works?" They do, but they're overwhelmed by the vast amount of empty content ready for consumption. It's so damn easy to chill out clicking this and that, and fall in a rut where that's all you do in the leisure time you spend at your desk. We should try to find a way to actively encourage people to pick up a creative hobby (or more than one!) as a form of therapy, even. "Furthermore, do you believe that, without being creative, it is not possible for a person to refrain from telling a game designer to kill himself?" I think outbursts like that come from immature, intellectually under-developed people who would grow immensely from pursuing a creative hobby.
- superbaconman 13y ago
  The tools to create and the networks to share already exist but the trouble is getting people to enjoy creation. Fix this and you might create tomorrow's economy.
- tks2103 13y ago
  My greater point was that I don't think "we should actively encourage people to pick up a creative hobby" in response to those people making death threats. There are already people who are choosing to pick up creative hobbies. Those people make games. People that make games get crucified by gamers who do not like their decisions. Those gamers make death threats. The people who make death threats can easily enough make something creative. Certainly there is no larger barrier for them when compared to someone like Phil Fish. I do not think we need to make it easier to expect better behavior from someone who is making a death threat. We need to prioritize the people who made the extra effort to actually get up and make something over the people who chose to directly threaten the lives of the creator.
lmm 13y ago
>I believe that individuals making death threats or rape threats on the internet are generally making individual choices with full knowledge of the repercussions. I do not believe they have any reasonable excuse justifying their actions. The responsibility for understanding and identifying how deeply they can damage another human is solely theirs. Fine. What are you going to do about it? Imprison them? Highly counterproductive. Complain about them on the internet? They live for that. Sit back and do nothing? Grandparent proposed a positive course of action that they believe will effect change. Asking whose fault or responsibility the problem is is missing the point; what we should focus on is how to solve it.
- tks2103 13y ago
  OP and I disagree on what the problem is. OP believes society does not do enough to cause people to be creative. That kind of problem has one kind of solution. Perhaps the very grant that Phil Fish used to initially fund his development of Fez would qualify. I believe people that make death threats are solely responsible for their actions. They need to be held accountable. There are tons of ways to hold them accountable. One such internet community built solely around internet gaming is Lethalfrag's Twitch.tv channel. You can see for yourself the quality of commentary on his show. He has spoken at length about his methods for maintaining a solid community. He does not do it by providing people with a creative outlet. But I shouldn't have to point out an example of a successful internet community to assert what the problem is. I think it is in the ways in which we hold people accountable for their actions. Maybe you do not believe that is the problem. In any case, I cannot imagine you believe the problem is that we do not make it easy enough for people who make death threats to be creative. That's an awful lot of grace we give a person before expecting them to change their behavior.
  - lmm 13y ago
    No, the problem is people making death threats. Don't mistake one of any number of possible factors that lead to the problem for the problem itself. You believe that "the ways in which we hold people accountable for their actions" is a contributing causal factor? Fine. But identifying a causal factor is pointless unless you have a plan for dealing with it. OP was proposing a practical intervention. Is it the best possible practical intervention? I don't know, but your counterproposal should be another practical intervention, not just a theory about one of the causes of the problem.

by tks2103 13y ago

null_ptr 13y ago

"Do you believe people on Twitter do not have the resources available to attempt creative works?" They do, but they're overwhelmed by the vast amount of empty content ready for consumption. It's so damn easy to chill out clicking this and that, and fall in a rut where that's all you do in the leisure time you spend at your desk. We should try to find a way to actively encourage people to pick up a creative hobby (or more than one!) as a form of therapy, even. "Furthermore, do you believe that, without being creative, it is not possible for a person to refrain from telling a game designer to kill himself?" I think outbursts like that come from immature, intellectually under-developed people who would grow immensely from pursuing a creative hobby.

superbaconman 13y ago
The tools to create and the networks to share already exist but the trouble is getting people to enjoy creation. Fix this and you might create tomorrow's economy.
tks2103 13y ago
My greater point was that I don't think "we should actively encourage people to pick up a creative hobby" in response to those people making death threats. There are already people who are choosing to pick up creative hobbies. Those people make games. People that make games get crucified by gamers who do not like their decisions. Those gamers make death threats. The people who make death threats can easily enough make something creative. Certainly there is no larger barrier for them when compared to someone like Phil Fish. I do not think we need to make it easier to expect better behavior from someone who is making a death threat. We need to prioritize the people who made the extra effort to actually get up and make something over the people who chose to directly threaten the lives of the creator.

lmm 13y ago

>I believe that individuals making death threats or rape threats on the internet are generally making individual choices with full knowledge of the repercussions. I do not believe they have any reasonable excuse justifying their actions. The responsibility for understanding and identifying how deeply they can damage another human is solely theirs. Fine. What are you going to do about it? Imprison them? Highly counterproductive. Complain about them on the internet? They live for that. Sit back and do nothing? Grandparent proposed a positive course of action that they believe will effect change. Asking whose fault or responsibility the problem is is missing the point; what we should focus on is how to solve it.

tks2103 13y ago
OP and I disagree on what the problem is. OP believes society does not do enough to cause people to be creative. That kind of problem has one kind of solution. Perhaps the very grant that Phil Fish used to initially fund his development of Fez would qualify. I believe people that make death threats are solely responsible for their actions. They need to be held accountable. There are tons of ways to hold them accountable. One such internet community built solely around internet gaming is Lethalfrag's Twitch.tv channel. You can see for yourself the quality of commentary on his show. He has spoken at length about his methods for maintaining a solid community. He does not do it by providing people with a creative outlet. But I shouldn't have to point out an example of a successful internet community to assert what the problem is. I think it is in the ways in which we hold people accountable for their actions. Maybe you do not believe that is the problem. In any case, I cannot imagine you believe the problem is that we do not make it easy enough for people who make death threats to be creative. That's an awful lot of grace we give a person before expecting them to change their behavior.
- lmm 13y ago
  No, the problem is people making death threats. Don't mistake one of any number of possible factors that lead to the problem for the problem itself. You believe that "the ways in which we hold people accountable for their actions" is a contributing causal factor? Fine. But identifying a causal factor is pointless unless you have a plan for dealing with it. OP was proposing a practical intervention. Is it the best possible practical intervention? I don't know, but your counterproposal should be another practical intervention, not just a theory about one of the causes of the problem.