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Hardly. Your argument is a caricature of itself. Success and the mere capability to engage in purely hypothetical anti-competitive behaviors suddenly means ordi

Hardly. Your argument is a caricature of itself. Success and the mere capability to engage in purely hypothetical anti-competitive behaviors suddenly means ordinary innovation practices are evil. Presumably at this point Mozilla would like to join Microsoft in one of its various anti-trust complaints against Google for having dared to offer users better products.

bandushrew 13y ago
So long as google is storing the password to my network in plain text on its servers just because I let one of my friends access my network, they do not get to boast about innovation. I cannot clearly express the loss of respect that action has engendered.
- dllthomas 13y ago
  Not to defend Google, but... set up a guest network.
  - bandushrew 13y ago
    heh. yes, I could setup a guest network to workaround the fact that google stores my network access passwords in plain text on their servers whenever I allow someone using their software on my network. or they could stop betraying the trust of their users. I mean, seriously. It would be one thing if they were 'only' totally compromising the network security of people who chose to use their software. But they are compromising the security of anyone with a network who lets their friends and family on board. My network isn't a problem one way or another, I am actually fairly comfortable with the protections it has. OTOH the networks of non-techy people and family across the entire world that have been compromised by google's astounding arrogance(?) and stupidity(?) kind of bother me. Honestly, I do not understand how an entirely tech oriented organisation like Google could do something like this. I am Jacks bewildered confusion.
    - dllthomas 13y ago
      Like I said, I am not arguing that Google did right. I'm just saying, if you're handing out a single key to people with arbitrary configurations you should probably assume it's compromised. Your friends could just as well have had some other malware.
      - bandushrew 13y ago
        yes, that is a generally correct statement.

bandushrew 13y ago

So long as google is storing the password to my network in plain text on its servers just because I let one of my friends access my network, they do not get to boast about innovation. I cannot clearly express the loss of respect that action has engendered.

dllthomas 13y ago
Not to defend Google, but... set up a guest network.
- bandushrew 13y ago
  heh. yes, I could setup a guest network to workaround the fact that google stores my network access passwords in plain text on their servers whenever I allow someone using their software on my network. or they could stop betraying the trust of their users. I mean, seriously. It would be one thing if they were 'only' totally compromising the network security of people who chose to use their software. But they are compromising the security of anyone with a network who lets their friends and family on board. My network isn't a problem one way or another, I am actually fairly comfortable with the protections it has. OTOH the networks of non-techy people and family across the entire world that have been compromised by google's astounding arrogance(?) and stupidity(?) kind of bother me. Honestly, I do not understand how an entirely tech oriented organisation like Google could do something like this. I am Jacks bewildered confusion.
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    Like I said, I am not arguing that Google did right. I'm just saying, if you're handing out a single key to people with arbitrary configurations you should probably assume it's compromised. Your friends could just as well have had some other malware.
    - bandushrew 13y ago
      yes, that is a generally correct statement.