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Tor use is now forbidden on Kimsufi's OVH
- computer 13y agoMy French is not good enough to see if this is only for exit nodes, or also for internal relays? Running Tor relays is one of the reasons I use their servers...
- yannickmahe 13y ago"depuis quelques mois, nous avons eu plusieurs affaires juridiques lié à l'utilisation de plusieurs réseaux TOR dans le cas de la pedo et on va désormais l'interdire au même titre que tous les systèmes d'anonymisation. Cela augmente l'utilisation frauduleuse de notre réseau et le nombre de réquisition juridique chaque mois" "starting a few months back, we've had an number of legal cases regarding the use of multiple TOR networks for pedo, and we will forbid its use from now on, the same way we forbid all anonymisation systems. It raises the number of fraudulent uses of our network and the number of subpoenas each month" I guess it means both.
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- lelf 13y agoGoogle-translated part from http://www.ovh.com/fr/support/documents_legaux/Conditions_particulieres_location_serveur_dedie_2013.pdf http://www.ovh.com/fr/support/documents_legaux/Conditions_pa...: 7.4 For security reasons, all IRC services (for non-exhaustive: bots, proxy, bouncer, etc..), anonymous browsing services (usually called proxies), TOR nodes, are not allowed on the OVH network unless written consent of OVH. OVH reserves the right to suspend any server which these elements are used without prior permission of OVH.
- gallypette 13y ago"Pour des raisons de sécurité, l’ensemble des services IRC (à titre non-exhaustif : bots, proxy, bouncer, etc.), services de navigation anonyme (généralement appelés proxy), nœuds TOR, ne sont pas autorisés sur le réseau OVH sauf autorisation écrite d’OVH. OVH se réserve le droit de suspendre tout serveur sur lequel ces éléments seraient utilisés sans autorisation préalable d’OVH." It looks like anything looking like a proxy is forbidden now. Including tor nodes :/
- valinor4 13y agoProxies were already forbidden since 2010 (I think).
- anonymous 13y agoI hope you mean open proxies, because even ssh allows you to establish a (for you only) socks 5 proxy.
- herge 13y agoFor security reasons, all IRC services (including bots, proxies, bouncers, etc.), anonymous navigation services (also known as proxies), TOR nodes, are not allowed on the OVH network without written authorization from OVH. OVH reserves the right to suspend any server on which these services are used without prior authorization from OVH.
- rst 13y agoThe relevant French: "depuis quelques mois, nous avons eu plusieurs affaires juridiques lié à l'utilisation de plusieurs réseaux TOR dans le cas de la pedo et on va désormais l'interdire au même titre que tous les systèmes d'anonymisation." My (amateur) translation, cleaning up Google translate (which doesn't recognize Tor as a proper name): "For several months, we've had many legal matters related to the use of TOR networks in pedo cases, and from now on, it is forbidden along with all systems of anonymization." Doesn't sound like they want any part of it.
- devcpp 13y agoWeird, the French part looks like the output of a translator. There are a few faults of vocabulary, grammar and sentence structure. Your translation is correct though.
- norswap 13y agoFrench is my mother tongue, and I think it sounds alright. It's everyday speech though, not something you'd write in a press statement.
- GuiA 13y agoFellow Frenchie here- it does look like it was written by a high schooler rather than a CEO- awkward phrasing ("dans le cas de la pedo", wtf?!?), conjugation mistake ("liées"), use of "on va" instead of "nous allons" in a formal written statement...
- norswap 13y agoSeems commonplace in the French IT sphere. On the new "42" school forums, the mods are downright trolling.
- seszett 13y agoOles (Octave Klaba, the CEO)'s French is always terrible. This is probably one of his best written sentences.
- pktgen 13y agoI have a hard time blaming them for this. They're a budget provider, so any extra cost handling subpoenas and legal documents (which, let's not kid ourselves, is going to happen 100x more on a Tor node than on the majority of their other customers) quite possibly means a loss for them on a server.
- teawithcarl 13y agoHere's a related link just 5 days ago. Server host OVH warns of 'multi-stage' hacking attack. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/top_server_host_ovh_warns_of_multistage_hacking_attack/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/top_server_host_ovh_...
- aroch 13y agoWell...no. This is OVH's own systems being compromised. It has nothing to do with 'hackers' using OVH servers to attack other people.
- lechevalierd3on 13y agoOVH used to be one of the top host provider. Last year they removed the unmetered bandwidth and now TOR, VPN too ? (it's unclear to me). What's next ? no HTTPS, European traffic only ? seriously this sadden me, lucky for us Online.net is a good challenger.
- dewey 13y agoThey just removed their traffic limits a few days ago.
- aroch 13y agoThey removed it on their EU-customer only servers, which means they're relying on the fact that 80-90% (at least) of their bandwidth is going over EU IXes and is thus free to OVH.
- lechevalierd3on 13y agoDo you have any proof of that ? Because I've been looking for info on that matter.
- PaperclipTaken 13y agoOVH is still the cheapest host I've ever seen. 1 TB disk space, 100mbps connection speed, 5TB bandwidth, all for $20/mo? I'm not complaining, nor have I seen better.
- kristofferR 13y agoTheir support is totally abhorrent though, be prepared waiting days/weeks instead of minutes/hours for any support at all, they abruptly change your TOS and server specs without telling you, cancel you order for no reason without telling you or even refunding you etc. They're totally horrible to deal with, unless you make minimum wage you're probably going to spend more on packets of Tylenol due to all the headaches they cause than what you're going to save.
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- Nux 13y agoMakes sense. Tor's nature (and its many dodgy uses) will eventually lead to its demise, alas.
- pestaa 13y agoI did not downvote but instead invite you to elaborate. Why will Tor cause its own demise?
- Karunamon 13y agoOperating as an exit node exposes you to a great deal of legal issues, if not liability. Not to mention annoyance for the user... there will be sites you can't access since many sites block exit node IPs outright because of abuse. If some random does something illegal and they happen to be using your node, guess who gets the knock on the door? With that in mind, what user would want to operate an exit node?
- Homunculiheaded 13y agoWhat about hidden services? In my opinion that's the real heart of Tor. I think the value of exit nodes will start to wane as Tor gains a larger and larger user base and becomes it's own truly viable darknet. As it stands the majority of security related discussions I've come across regarding Tor strongly discourage spending any large amount of time on clearnet services anyway as this create many potential security/privacy risks.
- welterde 13y agoIf you are more interested in the hidden services aspect, did you also have a look at I2P [1]? It is more geared toward this aspect (exit nodes = outproxies in i2p-speak for example are just standard hidden services) [1] https://geti2p.net/ https://geti2p.net/
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- lambada 13y agoThey've not been Tor friendly for a while - and indeed have forbidden Tor for some time, at least according to Tors Good Bad ISPs wiki page - https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs#France1 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISP...
- ScottWhigham 13y agoHow do they detect the use of a proxy though? That's what I don't understand. Tor's exit nodes are not broadcast, or are they?
- mike-cardwell 13y agoThe list of Exit nodes is publicly accessible. All you have to do is check if any of your IPs are in that list.
- dylz 13y agoThe list of ALL nodes, including ENTRY and MIDDLE are also public.
- mike-cardwell 13y agoExcluding bridge nodes
- aw3c2 13y agoAww, I was running a relay for more than two years on mine. Hopefully it only means exit nodes.
- gesman 13y agoBut i think people can still operate Tor Hidden services from there
- Sprint 13y agoRunning a hidden services requires running a relay (exit or no-exit), right? I was planning to provide a hidden service for a site of mine for fun mostly but would not want to risk losing my server for satisfying my hacker enthusiasm.
- mike-cardwell 13y agoYou don't need to be any sort of relay in order to host a hidden service. You can do it when just running as a client.
- HNLogInShit 13y agoWow, what a meaningless title.
- jeremysmyth 13y agoTor can be used for good and for bad. It's the very same problem that Cory Doctorow talks about in his lectures about the War on General Purpose Computing, and it's not an easy problem to solve. I'm an admin on a social/gaming site (a MUD with appendant forum, blogs, and other community elements), and we have had to make a few decisions about Tor in the last couple of years. Some background: the site is quite old, and we have historically encouraged users to sign up without needing to provide a unique ID such as email address. They can provide one, but don't have to. In the last few years we have had the problem of occasional griefers log on and cause whatever social havoc they can. Now, my personal feelings about Tor are generally quite positive, and I like the freedoms it provides people who are otherwise restricted by their ISPs or governments from accessing legitimate resources. Like many others have said, Tor is a tool that, while it can be used to do illegal things, is also used to provide a very useful service to people who need it to get on with things you and I take for granted. Now, back to our griefers: We have a number of banning mechanisms based on IP or domain, and they tend to be successful because griefers usually get bored when they can't access the site for a couple of hours. However, because a tiny minority of griefers are more persistent, more technically adept, and figured they could use Tor to damage our community, we did a little bit of analysis and found that few if any legitimate users of our site came from Tor exit points, and we chose to block them. The alternative was to require a unique identity during the sign-up process, and frankly we wanted as few hurdles as possible to new users (anyone who knows the MUD community knows that it's in decline, and low-friction signups are pretty desirable). So we blacklist Tor exit points from our signup process. The unfortunate fact is that some Tor users do bad things with the fantastic tool at their disposal, and end up spoiling it for the legitimate (and extremely valuable) use cases that make it such an amazing tool. Yet its very anonymity means that there is no easy way to allow one set of uses while disallowing others. This is a hard problem, and one I'm not smart enough to solve.
- pyre 13y agoIf you provide access to the website as a Tor hidden service, do you get some sort of unique ID for the computer connecting that can be banned? I don't know much about the Tor protocol, but if you're on the receiving end of packets that need a response, you need a way to address them back.