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In some ways I like it as I've always learned better on a self-paced system. But no computer will ever inspire anyone to reach outside themselves and become som

In some ways I like it as I've always learned better on a self-paced system. But no computer will ever inspire anyone to reach outside themselves and become someone new. The best teachers are the ones who move their students in directions they never even considered. There is no big data algorithm for that.

vdaniuk 13y ago
Well, lets do some abstraction here and extract the behavioural and cognitive elements from the best teacher-student interaction. Then we dump the data and process it using some tweaked ML algorithm and test the models on hundreds of thousands learners (tens of thousands is normal for a Coursera MOOC). Then using monitoring of social media students and their work profiles we obtain data about their career changes. Voila, computer inspired someone to become someone new.
mathattack 13y ago
I think the trend will be differentiated by goals... There are core classes with known material that people don't look to for inspiration: entry level math, accounting, etc. In the right circumstance, this should free up the teachers to inspire for courses that do require more intense discussion and guidance. For example: philosophy, political science, lab science, etc.
- kaitai 13y ago
  Basic math has plenty of room for inspiration, from the Fibonacci series to the combinatorics of counting to the concept of infinity. Sometimes those topics come up spontaneously in class with a human teacher -- not nearly often enough, but now and then. Are these cool and interesting topics that aren't on some Common Core standards list ever going to come up if students simply work through a computer program written by a corporate consultant and vetted by a committee?
  - mathattack 13y ago
    Fair enough. Perhaps I'm biased by personal experience. Through an advanced track in high school and a college minor in math, I didn't have one inspiring math teacher. I got more inspiration out of Project Euler than I ever did from formal math teaching. While it would be great to have inspirational math teachers, perhaps I'm jaded when I say, "Why pretend?" And this is coming from someone who believes Math should be appreciate for beauty in addition to practicality. (Enough to put it in my name!)
    - kaitai 13y ago
      I'm biased by personal experience too, having taught math on a college/university level for... ten years now. I have wanted to be the inspiring prof. I've done it for maybe 20 students. I feel the failure acutely. I haven't given up yet but people (mathematicians, others) need to start really thinking about what education should be for and how we can achieve that. I love computers, science, (big) data. The folks implementing the current innovations are not mathematicians/chemists/economists, and the people choosing the current innovations are administrators or politicians rather than researchers or practitioners. I am not willing to cede control to these forces without a fight. What are we going to do to make sure that edtech is not just a way to expedite credentialing while making students dumb and efficient machines?
      - mathattack 13y ago
        I appreciate where you are coming from, as you bring much more real experience into this than me. Here's an open question, and I'm going to pull some numbers out of the air to just make a point... Let's say that you have a given math department with 10 faculty charged with education of 4000 students, and your costs are fixed. Which of these scenarios is best? 1) Each of the 10 teachers teaches 4 classes of 50 people per year. Each student gets 2 ((10450)/4000 = 1/2 per year) large courses over 4 years. 2) Each of the 10 teachers supports 1 large online classes of 400 people each, and teaches 3 classes of 33. Each student gets 4 impersonal online classes ((101400)/4000 = 1 per year) and 1 smaller class per year ((10 * 3 * 33)/4000 = 1/4). The #s are made up, but the idea is that with a fixed amount of resources, you can have more small group classes with experts if you're willing to accept very large online classes. Or - you can get a lot more classes for the same cost if you're willing to take them online. Again, this isn't a panacea, and doesn't work for every subject. It also doesn't increase creativity, or encourage research.
tekalon 13y ago
That's why for this class the teacher was a 'roving mentor'. The students still can use him for motivation and inspiration (if they so choose). The computer component takes care of the knowledge transfer. I go to WGU, and this is how all of their classes are. All resources are online (books, videos, practice quizzes, etc). If I have a question, I email the class teacher or ask my student mentor.
ippisl 13y ago
Well, there's a computer game[1] for people with depression that teaches them to change though patterns, and at least according to preliminary results, it success rates are much better than that of a therapy. And, there's the field of persuasive technology that works on building technology to help people change behavior. According to wikipedia, there are numerous studies showing changes in health behaviours. So i wouldn't rule out computers inspiring people(which seems like an interesting problem to think about/work on). [1]http://pandodaily.com/2013/06/25/a-game-thats-better-than-therapy-for-treating-depression-and-the-startup-behind-it/ http://pandodaily.com/2013/06/25/a-game-thats-better-than-th...
thrush 13y ago
Maybe not, but that's why online and software based learning needs to be made exemplary. Teachers should be pooling their notes and putting together scripts that people with excellent charisma can execute on camera. Casually filmed lectures will rarely if ever be as inspirational as a powerful teacher can be face to face, but high production movie-like videos might just stand a chance.

vdaniuk 13y ago

Well, lets do some abstraction here and extract the behavioural and cognitive elements from the best teacher-student interaction. Then we dump the data and process it using some tweaked ML algorithm and test the models on hundreds of thousands learners (tens of thousands is normal for a Coursera MOOC). Then using monitoring of social media students and their work profiles we obtain data about their career changes. Voila, computer inspired someone to become someone new.

mathattack 13y ago

I think the trend will be differentiated by goals... There are core classes with known material that people don't look to for inspiration: entry level math, accounting, etc. In the right circumstance, this should free up the teachers to inspire for courses that do require more intense discussion and guidance. For example: philosophy, political science, lab science, etc.

kaitai 13y ago
Basic math has plenty of room for inspiration, from the Fibonacci series to the combinatorics of counting to the concept of infinity. Sometimes those topics come up spontaneously in class with a human teacher -- not nearly often enough, but now and then. Are these cool and interesting topics that aren't on some Common Core standards list ever going to come up if students simply work through a computer program written by a corporate consultant and vetted by a committee?
- mathattack 13y ago
  Fair enough. Perhaps I'm biased by personal experience. Through an advanced track in high school and a college minor in math, I didn't have one inspiring math teacher. I got more inspiration out of Project Euler than I ever did from formal math teaching. While it would be great to have inspirational math teachers, perhaps I'm jaded when I say, "Why pretend?" And this is coming from someone who believes Math should be appreciate for beauty in addition to practicality. (Enough to put it in my name!)
  - kaitai 13y ago
    I'm biased by personal experience too, having taught math on a college/university level for... ten years now. I have wanted to be the inspiring prof. I've done it for maybe 20 students. I feel the failure acutely. I haven't given up yet but people (mathematicians, others) need to start really thinking about what education should be for and how we can achieve that. I love computers, science, (big) data. The folks implementing the current innovations are not mathematicians/chemists/economists, and the people choosing the current innovations are administrators or politicians rather than researchers or practitioners. I am not willing to cede control to these forces without a fight. What are we going to do to make sure that edtech is not just a way to expedite credentialing while making students dumb and efficient machines?
    - mathattack 13y ago
      I appreciate where you are coming from, as you bring much more real experience into this than me. Here's an open question, and I'm going to pull some numbers out of the air to just make a point... Let's say that you have a given math department with 10 faculty charged with education of 4000 students, and your costs are fixed. Which of these scenarios is best? 1) Each of the 10 teachers teaches 4 classes of 50 people per year. Each student gets 2 ((10450)/4000 = 1/2 per year) large courses over 4 years. 2) Each of the 10 teachers supports 1 large online classes of 400 people each, and teaches 3 classes of 33. Each student gets 4 impersonal online classes ((101400)/4000 = 1 per year) and 1 smaller class per year ((10 * 3 * 33)/4000 = 1/4). The #s are made up, but the idea is that with a fixed amount of resources, you can have more small group classes with experts if you're willing to accept very large online classes. Or - you can get a lot more classes for the same cost if you're willing to take them online. Again, this isn't a panacea, and doesn't work for every subject. It also doesn't increase creativity, or encourage research.

tekalon 13y ago

That's why for this class the teacher was a 'roving mentor'. The students still can use him for motivation and inspiration (if they so choose). The computer component takes care of the knowledge transfer. I go to WGU, and this is how all of their classes are. All resources are online (books, videos, practice quizzes, etc). If I have a question, I email the class teacher or ask my student mentor.

ippisl 13y ago

Well, there's a computer game[1] for people with depression that teaches them to change though patterns, and at least according to preliminary results, it success rates are much better than that of a therapy. And, there's the field of persuasive technology that works on building technology to help people change behavior. According to wikipedia, there are numerous studies showing changes in health behaviours. So i wouldn't rule out computers inspiring people(which seems like an interesting problem to think about/work on). [1]http://pandodaily.com/2013/06/25/a-game-thats-better-than-therapy-for-treating-depression-and-the-startup-behind-it/ http://pandodaily.com/2013/06/25/a-game-thats-better-than-th...

thrush 13y ago

Maybe not, but that's why online and software based learning needs to be made exemplary. Teachers should be pooling their notes and putting together scripts that people with excellent charisma can execute on camera. Casually filmed lectures will rarely if ever be as inspirational as a powerful teacher can be face to face, but high production movie-like videos might just stand a chance.