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There was a post on reddit where abused women have higher levels of oxytocin. Maybe that has something to do with it. Abused/brainwashed is pretty much similar

by sigkill 13y ago

There was a post on reddit where abused women have higher levels of oxytocin. Maybe that has something to do with it. Abused/brainwashed is pretty much similar, except one might have physical traces.

lifeformed 13y ago
That's a pretty wild claim. Being religious is not similar at all to being abused. Growing up with a certain worldview doesn't affect that. Your body doesn't know you are learning the "wrong" worldview. "Brainwashing" is a term too lightly used - although it can happen, the average religious person is not brainwashed. They simply just grow up with a certain cultural mindset.
- sigkill 13y ago
  You're probably right that 'brainwashed' is a term used lightly, yet with some people if you challenge their views, they go flat out into denial so that their world doesn't shatter. I probably should call them brainwashed even though it's just simply the way they grew up.
  - lifeformed 13y ago
    Well, you could say the same about a non-religious person. Tell them about God, and they would flat out deny it. Why? Because they believe their own worldview to be correct, and that God is incompatible with it. It's fair for them, so it should be fair for religious people to do the same. To them, religious reality is as axiomatic as scientific fact is to non-religious people. It doesn't matter which side is technically correct - they both believe their own point to be true, based on the very complex cultural and social factors in their upbringing. I don't think a religious and non-religious person are physiologically any different, they just make different choices about their beliefs. I'm not saying science is equivalent to a religion, but rather that a religious worldview is just as unshakable as a non-religious worldview.
    - sigkill 13y ago
      Okay I don't want to get into debate of religion as the topic here because that never ends well. But in general more open minded people are willing to give anything a shot, and more importantly, they're willing to say "You know what, I was wrong in thinking that you need large engines to get more horsepower. I didn't know you could add turbos or have direct injection to increase power without increasing engine capacity." A closeminded person would say, "Yeah, so what if it shows it has 200HP for a 1.8l engine, that's still not real power. I mean, you're using turbos and DI unlike me. I'm using `pure` engine power". [I shifted gears (no pun intended) to something else because in my experience debate/discussion on religion NEVER ends well)
      - lifeformed 13y ago
        Well, I didn't intend to get in that sort of debate either, so that's fair. Yes, I definitely agree that open mindedness is a big difference between those two groups. However, I bet it's just a matter of closed-minded people tending to prefer A, and open-minded people tending to prefer B, rather than A creating close mindedness.

by sigkill 13y ago

There was a post on reddit where abused women have higher levels of oxytocin. Maybe that has something to do with it. Abused/brainwashed is pretty much similar, except one might have physical traces.

lifeformed 13y ago

That's a pretty wild claim. Being religious is not similar at all to being abused. Growing up with a certain worldview doesn't affect that. Your body doesn't know you are learning the "wrong" worldview. "Brainwashing" is a term too lightly used - although it can happen, the average religious person is not brainwashed. They simply just grow up with a certain cultural mindset.

sigkill 13y ago
You're probably right that 'brainwashed' is a term used lightly, yet with some people if you challenge their views, they go flat out into denial so that their world doesn't shatter. I probably should call them brainwashed even though it's just simply the way they grew up.
- lifeformed 13y ago
  Well, you could say the same about a non-religious person. Tell them about God, and they would flat out deny it. Why? Because they believe their own worldview to be correct, and that God is incompatible with it. It's fair for them, so it should be fair for religious people to do the same. To them, religious reality is as axiomatic as scientific fact is to non-religious people. It doesn't matter which side is technically correct - they both believe their own point to be true, based on the very complex cultural and social factors in their upbringing. I don't think a religious and non-religious person are physiologically any different, they just make different choices about their beliefs. I'm not saying science is equivalent to a religion, but rather that a religious worldview is just as unshakable as a non-religious worldview.
  - sigkill 13y ago
    Okay I don't want to get into debate of religion as the topic here because that never ends well. But in general more open minded people are willing to give anything a shot, and more importantly, they're willing to say "You know what, I was wrong in thinking that you need large engines to get more horsepower. I didn't know you could add turbos or have direct injection to increase power without increasing engine capacity." A closeminded person would say, "Yeah, so what if it shows it has 200HP for a 1.8l engine, that's still not real power. I mean, you're using turbos and DI unlike me. I'm using `pure` engine power". [I shifted gears (no pun intended) to something else because in my experience debate/discussion on religion NEVER ends well)
    - lifeformed 13y ago
      Well, I didn't intend to get in that sort of debate either, so that's fair. Yes, I definitely agree that open mindedness is a big difference between those two groups. However, I bet it's just a matter of closed-minded people tending to prefer A, and open-minded people tending to prefer B, rather than A creating close mindedness.